[net.music.classical] Holst & "2001" & public domain

myeksie@uokvax.UUCP (12/15/84)

The other day I listened to "The Planets" for the first time in six
months (this corresponds directly with how long I've had my CD player).
When I got to Neptune (I think) (Whichever one is the Mystic), I started
feeling 'deja vu'.  It sounded just like part of the music from 
"Raiders of the Last Ark".  It may have just been the instrumentation but
did any one else notice this?  It wouldn't surprise me any considering
that Williams wrote the score for Raiders as well as "Star Wars".  I never
did understand how he could so blatantly plagerize 'Mars' for "Star Wars", -
or is Holst considered public domain now?  This may have been discussed
here before but I'm new to the net and would appreciate any comments on this.

One further comment: The very next day after listening to Holst I
received (the first ever) a newsletter from a local audio store.  In this
letter someone reviewed three albums, a Pat Metheny (Methany? - which is it)
album, a Talking Heads album and an imported pressing of Holst's Planets
(I must be psychic).  In the review of "The Planets", the reviewer
commented on the popularization of the movements by it's use in various
movies including "2001".  Is this guy for real or am I sorrily mistaken.
I thought "2001" contained music only from the two Strauss'.  I suspect
that he is getting his 'space' movies mixed up.

				...I will now step down from my soapbox
				
				Mark Yeskie  at uokvax!myeksie
				       ^^                 ^^

P.S.  	My logonid is (temporarily?) inconsistent with my name.  I have been
	trying for two months to get them to spell my name correct........

steve@alberta.UUCP (Steve Sutphen) (12/17/84)

> The other day I listened to "The Planets" for the first time in six
> months (this corresponds directly with how long I've had my CD player).
> When I got to Neptune (I think) (Whichever one is the Mystic), I started
> feeling 'deja vu'.  It sounded just like part of the music from 
> "Raiders of the Last Ark".  It may have just been the instrumentation but
> did any one else notice this?  It wouldn't surprise me any considering
> that Williams wrote the score for Raiders as well as "Star Wars".  I never
> did understand how he could so blatantly plagerize 'Mars' for "Star Wars", -
> or is Holst considered public domain now?  This may have been discussed
> here before but I'm new to the net and would appreciate any comments on this.
> 
I have also noticed similarities between some of the "new" movie music and
some older classics. Try part of the Star Wars music and Glazanov's
"Seasons". Although I do not have the Star Wars album to compare with they
seem virtually identical.
	Steve Sutphen
	

jho@ihuxn.UUCP (Yosi Hoshen) (12/18/84)

John Williams uses in his "Star War" music for Princes's Lea Theme
a theme that is identical to a motif in Wagner's Tannhauser.
This motif can be found  in the Venusbergmusik of that opera.
-- 

Yosi Hoshen, Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois, (312)-979-7321, Mail: ihnp4!ihuxn!jho

wb@zeta.UUCP (Bill Beblo) (12/29/84)

I don't remember "2001" to well and didn't see
"Raiders of the Lost Ark", but I got the feeling
that I had heard some familiar notes in the score
of "E. T.".  The scene is the one where the bicycles
take to the sky.  The music seems VERY similar to that
heard in one of the latter movements of Beethoven's
Symphony #5 (can't remember off-hand which movement;
not the first, though).  Always wondered how John
Williams could compose so much music so quickly!

Bill Beblo
Bell Communications Research
290 W. Mt. Pleasant Ave.  Rm 1B-112
Livingston, New Jersey 07039
(201) 740-4421