[net.music.classical] Inspirational/Moving music poll

cdh@ptsfc.UUCP (Chris Harvey) (03/30/85)

	To move a little away from the best/worst music, etc. I would like
to hear from people about the classical pieces that reallly "get ya right there".
The music that either inspires you to great heights, or reduces you to sobs.
After all, that is what our favorite music is all about; emotion. 

	For example, Mozart's requiem (even though it's been termed 'top 40')
is extremely effective in both ways. But I think this is an exception. Let me
hear recommendations for either or both categories.

	First vote (after the requiem) goes for Albinoni's (sp?) Adagio in G.
(I swear I liked it BEFORE it was the soundtrack for Gallipoli). A truly
moving selection, a four klennex affair.

	Mail, post, or whatever your selections to me and I will summarize
those that are not posted.
-- 
Chris Harvey,Pac Bell,SF
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chris@laidbak.UUCP (Chris Granner) (04/04/85)

> 
> 	To move a little away from the best/worst music, etc. I would like
> to hear from people about the classical pieces that reallly 
> "get ya right there".

Beethoven String Quartet Op. 131 (Preferably played by the LaSalle's (DG) )

This one's straight from the stable.  4th mvmt (th & var) sublime.

-cg (...!ihnp4!laidbak!chris)

blatt@Glacier.ARPA (Miriam Blatt) (04/04/85)

> The music that either inspires you to great heights, or reduces you to sobs.
> After all, that is what our favorite music is all about; emotion. 
> 

As a chamber music enthusiast, I have to vote for the fourth movement
(out of five) in Mozart G minor string quintet, and number of other
slow movements - 2nd in Dvorak Op96 (American) quartet, 2nd in
Mozart symphonie concertante (vln & vla), slow (2nd?) in Beethoven Op 18
No 1. That's all I can think of for now.

				Miriam Blatt
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				blatt@su-amadeus

steve@brl-tgr.ARPA (Stephen Wolff <steve>) (04/07/85)

Guillaume Dufay:  "Lamentatio Sancte Matris Ecclesie Constantinopolitane"

-- 
Stephen Wolff

greg@olivee.UUCP (Greg Paley) (04/08/85)

> 
> 	To move a little away from the best/worst music, etc. I would like
> to hear from people about the classical pieces that reallly "get ya right there".
> 
	...

> 	For example, Mozart's requiem (even though it's been termed 'top 40')
> is extremely effective in both ways. But I think this is an exception. Let me
> hear recommendations for either or both categories.

	Since I'm doing the tenor solos in an upcoming choir performance
of the Mozart "Requiem" I've had to get close to this music.  Beautiful
and moving as it is, it falls short for my tastes of the "get ya right
there" quality of the Verdi "Requiem".  

	It might well be that primary exposure to a "Requiem" setting
has a way of "imprinting" itself.  Since it was the Verdi that I first
heard, when I was in high school, I find many of the sections of the
text automatically associated in my mind with his setting.  Perhaps
I would have felt that way about the Mozart, Berlioz, or even Faure
if I had heard them first.  As it is, I love all of these, but still
find something special and awesome about the Verdi.

	It isn't just the heaven-storm passages, like the opening of
the "Dies Irae" and the subsequent "Tuba Mirum", although I know of
no more viscerally spectacular music (or better stereo showpieces if
you've got the equipment), that grab me.  There is the stentorian
grandeur of the mezzo-soprano's "Liber scriptus", the sustained
beauty of the "Recordare" trio whose ethereal soft (solo soprano)
ending directly confronts the massive bass chorus at the beginning
of the "Rex Tremendae" which, in turn, gives way to and then accompanies
the solo voices arching upward in the "Salva Me", building powerfully
stepwise to the soprano's high C.  Also interesting in this setting
is the way he chose to do the "Sanctus" - all swiftness, light and
joy as opposed to the sustained solemnity chosen by other composers.

	Other passages that I find uniquely impressive are the
quiet awe of the bass solo "Mors stupebit", the paintive beauty
of the tenor solo "Ingemisco" (unfortunately, rarely sung with
the sensitivity it needs), and the final tremendous solo "scena"
for soprano and chorus, "Libera me" (as demanding as anything
in "Aida" or "Forza" for the soprano).

	Incidentally, I, for one, would be appreciative if
people posting their "get ya right there" selections would 
recommend a recording, if they know of a good one.  Although
there are many, many recordings of the Verdi "Requiem", I
find most of them fatally flawed by either poor, or misguided,
shaping by the conductor or poor singing.  For this reason,
I can't recommend the recordings by such prominent
conductors as Reiner, Muti, De Sabata, Barbirolli (despite
wonderful soloists), Mehta and Bernstein.  The Abbado recording
is beautifully shaped but suffers from poor singing by all but
the tenor soloist.  This restricts my choice to the Toscanini
as the best overall performance, which will be dismissed by many
on the basis of sound quality, with the 1963 Giulini and the
1969 Solti/Vienna Philharmonic (NOT his later remake with the
Chicago Symphony) as the most satisfactory alternatives.

	The Solti, incidentally, is a Culshaw production which
demonstrates analogue recording at its best - tremendous depth
and ambience, dynamic range and clarity.  Sutherland is a
particular surprise - although she reverts to "mumble mouth"
diction at the beginning of the "Libera Me", the power and
accuracy of her voice in the other sections make great effect.
Horne sings superbly, Talvela well and powerfully, and
Pavarotti's voice did not then have the rasp it has since
taken on.  This has also been issued on CD by London, but I
haven't heard it in that format.

	- Greg Paley

larsen@utah-gr.UUCP (Mark Larsen) (04/10/85)

Personally, I always find the overture to Swan Lake to be very inspiring.
I have also always felt choked up when hearing the Adagio by Albinoni.
Actually, when I think about it, there are many pieces that effect me
this way; if they don't, I don't play them!
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gadfly@ihu1m.UUCP (Gadfly) (04/11/85)

> Guillaume Dufay:  "Lamentatio Sancte Matris Ecclesie
> Constantinopolitane"
> 
> Stephen Wolff

I'll second that.  Curious that although Constantinople fell to
the Turks in 1453, Dufay did not write the piece until 1456.
Well, news travelled slower back then.
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dep@allegra.UUCP (Dewayne Perry) (04/11/85)

[this inspirational stuff is really good - tastes better than the other dreck]

Brahms German Requium
"It is Enough" from Mendelssohn's Elijah
some of the bits in Bernstein's Chichester Psalms

just to name a few - dewayne

pete@umich.UUCP (Peter Lee) (04/12/85)

Ralph Vaughn Williams: Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Frederik Chopin:  Ballade #4
Gustav Mahler: Symphony #1


	(Oh!  The curse of romaticism! :-) )   The Asian Prince

root@trwatf.UUCP (Lord Frith) (04/12/85)

Shostakovitch Symphony # 5	(triumphal coda)
Shostakovitch Symphony # 6	(lyric, schitzophrenic)
Shostakovitch Symphony # 8	(mature, dream-like)
Ralph Vaughn Williams Symphony # 2, The Pastoral
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johnm@python.UUCP (J. Montgomery) (04/15/85)

> Ralph Vaughn Williams Symphony # 2, The Pastoral

I think Vaughn Williams 2nd is the "London" symphony, rather than the
"Pastoral".  I've forgotten which is the "Pastoral" (6th maybe?).
-- 
	John Montgomery
	Bell Communications Research
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edhall@randvax.UUCP (Ed Hall) (04/20/85)

> Shostakovitch Symphony # 5	(triumphal coda)
> Shostakovitch Symphony # 6	(lyric, schitzophrenic)
> Shostakovitch Symphony # 8	(mature, dream-like)
> Ralph Vaughn Williams Symphony # 2, The Pastoral
> 
>     - Lord Frith

The Vaughn Williams Pastoral is his 3rd symphony, not his second.

It is one of the most beautiful and relaxing pieces of music I've
ever heard.  For a good recorded performance, I suggest the one by
Sir Adrian Boult on London records.  (I'd recommend Boult as a
Vaughn Williams interpreter, period.)

As for the Shostakovich 5th--the coda is triumphal, yes, but ironic,
too--a false triumph.  Shostakovich's music is often filled with irony,
something Russian artists in music and letters brought to a high art.
Give it another listen: this is the symphony that ``rehabilitated''
Shostakovich after Stalin had condemned his music as ``chaos''.  It is
full of tragedy and suffering--an autobiography of his persecution.  As
part of the work as a whole, the coda seems strangly out of place,
although it satisfied the Soviet officialdom as demonstrating
``Socialist Realism'' (where all struggles have happy endings).  I
suspect that this was all intentional on Shostakovich's part, but not as
a concession.  Instead, he was mocking the simple-mindedness of those
who condemned him.

Shostakovich's 14th symphony is one of the most darkly beautiful
pieces of music ever written.  Quite simply, it is a symphony about
death--death without hope.  I find it profoundly depressing music,
yet quite worthwhile.  (Some people may want to avoid it.)  It is
dedicated to Benjamin Britten, and bears a good deal of similarity
to Britten's music.  It uses texts by Lorca, Apollinaire, Kuchelbecker,
and Rilke, sung by solo soprano and bass in Russian.

		-Ed Hall
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