reo@teltone (R.E. Overby) (09/03/83)
It was my impression that the original request for comments on operating systems was to be by mail. The recent posting by hou5e!mat makes me wonder if my assumption was incorrect. With respect to hou5e!mat('s) question about how many systems could support vi, I guess my question is ,"who would want to?" The following was mailed to the original poster and represents (usual disclaimer) PERSONAL OPINION not the company's etc., etc. Flame if you must, but ask how long does it take for YOUR operating system to do a low-level task like login.......I go get a cup of coffee while the ruptured UNICORN muddles through its tasks. We (Teltone Corp.) have 2 VAXEN, 2 PDP11/70's and a mess of misc PDP-8 & 11's 1 VAX has 4.1 bsd UNIX 1) UNIX is very flexible and a real hackers delight.... IF said hacker is VERY patient. UNIX is SSLLOOOWWWWW! 1 VAX runs VMS 1) VMS is friendlier, better supported, infinitely faster but somewhat less flexible. ie VMS is not a hackers hobby-system 2) Don't underestimate either the speed advantage or the support. Unix documentation SUCKS! Not even my friends at the Labs will defend the documentation 2 PDP11/70's run RSTSE V7. (something) 1) The RSTSE systems are very user friendly...ie make it as hard as possible to do something stupid like copy a file over an existing one, etc. 2) RSTSE will support several times the users with the same system response as UNIX. Last night I was ONLY user on a VAX 750 and had things like loading an editor take 30- 40 seconds where the 11/70 would do it in 2-6 seconds. 3) If you plan to write documents on the UNIX system, be prepared to spend lots of time..the editors are highly unfriendly and SLOW. nroff..the UNIX equiv. of rno is much more powerful...so much so that it will actually run a photo-typesetter. It hogs machine time like there was no tomorrow. In contrast, RNO will do simple and FAST formatting and can be learned in a couple hours. In summary, each PROBABLY has its place, but if speed, ease of use and documentation and support are important..stay away from UNIX. My prompt for several months was "UNIX SUCKS!" Bob Overby ...uw-beaver!teltone!reo Teltone Corporation, 10801-120th Ave. Kirkland, WA 98033 206-827-9626 Ext.516