sher@rochester.UUCP (David Sher) (09/26/83)
From: David Sher <sher> Some of you may remember the great north dakota survey. It asked three questions: A) do you believe in North Dakota B) have you or anyone you know been to north Dakota C) Do you have any physical evidence of the existence of North dakota I then rashly promised to collate and do stats on the results. Its been a year now and the results are still cluttering up my files so ... Here they are ------------------------------------------------------ >From seismo!harpo!duke!decvax!decwrl!amd70!bobbie Tue Jan 11 10:18:28 1983 Subject: RE THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY Newsgroups: net.misc I am sorely tempted to deny the existence of my sister state, NORTH DAKOTA since (by your criteria) I: a) have never been to North Dakota b) don't plan to ever go to North Dakota c) don't have any North Dakota soil as physical evidence However, friends, I bring good news -- there are other states in the union besides California and New York! I hail from SOUTH DAKOTA (Rapid City, pop. 46K). South Dakota, of course, is well known for Mount Rushmore, the Badlands, and other scenic wonders. I hope it will never sink into oblivion like NORTH DAKOTA!!! I'm sure that NORTH DAKOTA is up there somewhere above SOUTH DAKOTA. -BOBBIE (ROHRS) MADSEN- ...ucbvax!amd70!bobbie >From seismo!harpo!decvax!decwrl!amd70!clif Tue Jan 11 18:23:56 1983 Subject: North Dakota Newsgroups: net.misc I have been to 47 states the three I've haven't visited are Alaska, Hawaii, and You guessed it North Dakota. Nor, have I meet anyone who has ever been there. One vote for North Dakota doesn't exist. >From seismo!harpo!decvax!ucbvax!CAD:tektronix!teklabs!reed!bred Tue Jan 11 12:38:01 1983 Subject: Evil Influence of North Dakota Newsgroups: net.misc Assuming for the moment that North Dakota exists, look at the following facts: A. George McGovern, from a state directly south of North Dakota, lost the 1972 Presidential election to Richard Nixon despite Watergate. B. Hubert Humphrey, from a state directly east of North Dakota, died of cancer. C. Walter Mondale, from a state directly east of North Dakota, suffers from an allergic reaction to Holiday Inns. D. The oil fields of Montana were not hiring this summer. Montana is west of North Dakota. E. When asked the question "What Canadian province is north of North Dakota?" three people were not sure. (Is it Alberta? Saskatchewan? Manitoba? Did I spell Saskatchewan right? Will I get flames from Canada? Anybody have a map?) F. If I get flames from Canadians (see E above), it will be due to the influence of North Dakota. ---------- As you can see, North Dakota not only exists, but also casts an evil influence upon its neighbors on the continent. Does anyone know anything good about North Dakota? With apologies to the Canadians on the net, John E. Bredehoft Reed College !teklabs!reed!bred >From seismo!harpo!eagle!mhtsa!alice!rabbit!ark Wed Jan 12 10:52:50 1983 Subject: Re: Evil Influence of North Dakota Newsgroups: net.misc North Dakota certainly does exist! Evidence: Peter Schickele, the discoverer of the legendary P. D. Q. Bach, teaches at the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. >From seismo!harpo!decvax!utzoo!dciem!tim Wed Jan 12 08:43:32 1983 Subject: Re: THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY Newsgroups: net.misc a) No, I have never heard of "North Dakota" as such. I have, however, heard of a state that might very well be confused with this. I believe that your survey should, instead, be "THE GREAT WHITE NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY". b) I have never been to places that I don't believe in and I believe that I shall never go to such a place. not afraid to sign my GWN name... Tim Pointing ...decvax!utzoo!dciem!tim >From seismo!hao!hplabs!hp-pcd!bobm Thu Jan 13 18:02:34 1983 Subject: Yes, Virginia, There is a N. Dakota - (nf) Newsgroups: net.misc #N:hp-pcd:6400010:000:2479 hp-pcd!bobm Jan 13 13:10:00 1983 Alright, folks. According to the U.S. Census Bureau (the same people who counted a million more women than men who are separated from their spouses - does net.singles know about this?) in this week's Newsweek, not only is there a North Dakota, but it also has the lowest incidence of syphilis in the U.S. (0.3 cases per 100,000) and the least crime. According to my atlas, there are some 660K+ inhabitants of the state, and according to my calculator that means there were 2 cases of syphilis (reported, I'm sure!) in the state in 1980. This leads to an interesting contradiction: a quick glance at the map shows ND to be located (thought to be located??) in a very cold part of the states. This explains the low crime rate right off the bat - who wants to sneak around in the freezing snow at night when the whole place might not be real anyway? I'd sure rather stay at home in my own safe little reality and try to keep warm in the best possible way. Which brings us to the contradiction: surely if everybody was at home keeping warm, there would be a much higher incidence of genital flu! Now, either the natives are well-informed about such things, and make an effort to avoid needless complications (Bravo for them if that is the case - after all, practice makes perfect!) or it is indeed true that ND does not exist. Since the former cannot be demonstrated (after all - nobody yet has ever said that they have actually *BEEN* to ND, have they?) the latter must be true. Q.E.D North Dakota does not exist and is a figment of our imagination, as well as the imagination of the U.S. Census Bureau. Seriously, one of my housemates in college was from ND (at least he had ND plates on his car), so I'm at least 50% convinced that there is such a place. Of course, he did say that nothing ever happened there - all of the good life (i.e., any social event taking place when the temperature was over 0 degrees - that usually meant the May-September timeframe!) was in Minnesota. So I'm still not convinced... Bob May ...!hplabs!hp-pcd!bobm P.S. net.games.trivia addicts might want to see this issue of Newsweek. There are some fascinating nuggets of gold in there, including the fact that there are only 6 (count 'em - six!) Samoans in Arkansas and that Ohio is the most "normal" state, demographically speaking. I've always wanted to see that family that has 1.2 kids and 2.4 cars! >From seismo!harpo!eagle!mhuxt!mhuxi!mhuxj!mhuxv!burl!sb1!ll1!ihldt!ihnp4!stolaf!knight Fri Jan 14 16:44:03 1983 Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia, There is a N. Dakota - (nf) Newsgroups: net.misc On the other hand, for those of us fond of meaningless circumstantial evidence, about two years ago the "North Dakota Board of Tourism" published a work of fiction, er, a pamphlet detailing the sites to see in North Dakota. On the cover of this pamphlet--no lie--was a photograph of Mt. Rushmore. Steve Knight ihnp4!stolaf!knight harpo!stolaf!knight >From seismo!harpo!vortex!lauren Fri Jan 14 14:18:30 1983 Subject: North Dakota exists! Newsgroups: net.misc Hey gang -- I *know* that North Dakota exists! My father was born there, so if N.D. didn't exist, that would mean that I don' [MESSAGE TERMINATED AUTOMATICALLY; USER INPUT TIMEOUT] >From seismo!harpo!ihnp4!stolaf!minn-ua!abh Sat Jan 15 13:06:19 1983 Subject: North Dakota Newsgroups: net.misc Yes, North Dakota does exist; I've been there. My family went on a trip to Winnipeg, Manitoba. The easiest way to get to Winnipeg from Minneapolis is to take I-94 to Fargo, and then take I-29 through North Dakota to Canada. I-29 turns into Highway 75 in Canada. A couple of points of interest: I-29 is only two lanes (one in each direction). The KTHI-TV Tower (the world's tallest structure at 2,063 feet) is visible from I-29. >From seismo!harpo!duke!unc!mcnc!idis!mi-cec!raz Mon Jan 17 12:00:42 1983 Subject: Re: RE THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY Newsgroups: net.misc Matt Landau is right! North Dakota is a hoax to justify the naming of South Dakota. Who ever heard of Lower Volta? No one even knows which of the two (Dakotas) got statehood first. Loving every minute of pointless debate Robert A Zimmermann (..!idis!mi-cec!raz ) >From seismo!harpo!ihnp4!ihuxp!dap Tue Jan 18 07:57:25 1983 Subject: North Dakota Newsgroups: net.misc I thought it time to come to the defense of North Dakota... I've been in N.D. many times - it does exist and is a beautiful state in many ways. I've never seen sunrises and sunsets as beautiful as those in N.D. The east and north is good farming country, responsible for much of the wheat and most of the sunflower seeds and oil produced in this country. The west is rolling range country, with the Theodore Roosevelt National Monument (also known as the badlands, but not to be confused with the badlands in South Dakota) in the far west near Montana. It can be traversed via many excellently maintained highways (how many states can claim good roads!) including U.S. Highway 2 across the northern part of the state. It is served by Amtrak (something South Dakota is not!), and the Burlington Northern, Soo Line and Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific railroads, plus numerous airlines such as Northwest Orient. But most of all, North Dakota has the most important advantage of all over all the other states - nobody who has been complaining about or questioning the existence of the state will ever visit - all the better for North Dakota. Dave Poplawski >From seismo!harpo!eagle!wb2!houxz!ihnp4!ixn5c!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uicsl!wombat Tue Jan 18 18:39:47 1983 Subject: Re: Answer (?) to some more good questio - (nf) Newsgroups: net.misc #R:csu-cs:-196100:uicsl:7500005:000:134 uicsl!wombat Jan 18 12:57:00 1983 If you're in the Air Force, N.D. does exist, and you live out your term of service with the fear of being sent to Minot for a winter. >From seismo!harpo!floyd!cmcl2!philabs!sdcsvax!sdchema!bam Wed Jan 19 17:30:30 1983 Subject: Re: RE THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY Newsgroups: net.misc North Dakota *might* be there, I saw a sign in Wyoming saying it was close. (But to believe that, you also have to believe that Wyoming is there too. Bret Marquis U.C. San Diego >From seismo!harpo!ihnp4!ixn5c!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!gunsch Wed Jan 26 15:29:08 1983 Subject: Re: Watch out for N.D. - (nf) Newsgroups: net.misc #R:princeto:-12200:uiucdcs:10600035:000:860 uiucdcs!gunsch Jan 26 14:56:00 1983 What I heard was that if North Dakota seceded from the Union it would be the 5th strongest nation. At one time it would have been #3 but I think a couple of other contries have been building bombs faster then we have been shipping them up north. North Dakota does have other things too, such as the highest air quality in the US. I know because that's where I was while most of this "existance of North Dakota" thing has been going on. In fact, yes, I am from there. I've been told I was born there (but I was born at a real young age and really don't remember.) Now all I have to do is convince myself I'm not an AI project and that is that. Any ideas on how to tell? I did check ny drivers license and it said ND, but maybe that was just programmed in. paul gunsch (...uiucdcs!gunsch) >From seismo!harpo!ihnp4!ixn5c!inuxc!pur-ee!CSvax:Pucc-H:ad0 Wed Jan 26 23:47:32 1983 Subject: North Dakota Newsgroups: net.misc Of course N.D does not exist - but it used to. Dont you remember how it was obliterated in an h-bomb test, and how the goverment witheld the information from the common people because they didnt want to start a panic, and .... opps! Guess I let the cat out of the bag. Anyhow, North Dakota is now merely a congressional slush (party) fund. Where else do you think all the federal aid to N.D. goes, if it doesent even exist. They even have a few people on the payroll to go around claiming to be from N.D. ( they thought of everything ) Not afraid to let the truth be known, A. J. Thomas >From floyd!burl!wjb@harpo.UUCP Tue Jan 18 13:17:49 1983 remote from seismo Date: 18 Jan 83 12:02:20 EST (Tue) Pardon my "netiquette," but being brand new to Unix and the the Net, I find myself unable to figure out how to give you my return address. From: seismo!harpo!floyd!burl!wjb Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.290 [1/6/83]) id AA06392; 18-Jan-83 13:17:49-EST (Tue) Apparently-To: rocheste!sher However: a) I believe that the existence of North Dakota is a probable, but heretofore unproven, conjecture b) No one I have ever known has ever admitted to having ever seen or experienced North Dakota in any way, shape of form c) and therefore c) is unanswerable. --wjb >From decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!tims@harpo.UUCP Sat Jan 15 23:17:17 1983 remote from seismo Date: Sat Jan 15 23:12:05 1983 From: seismo!harpo!decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!tims Subject: GNDS indeed! Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.290 [1/6/83]) id AA27790; 15-Jan-83 23:17:17-EST (Sat) To: ittvax!decvax!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher Great ND Survey indeed! As one who now lingers in the relatively tropical climes of Chicagoland, I am of the opinion that residents of one vast frozen waste land are not in a position to throw stones, as it were. >From decvax!utzoo!mark@harpo.UUCP Fri Jan 14 04:37:40 1983 remote from seismo Date: Thu Jan 13 20:18:16 1983 From: seismo!harpo!decvax!utzoo!mark Subject: north dakota Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.290 [1/6/83]) id AA13463; 14-Jan-83 04:37:40-EST (Fri) To: decvax!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher it is well known here in the frozen north that the only extant mainland states are florida and california, and then only during the winter vacation season. (i have a freind who often speaks of his trips to a cottage in maine, but he is weird anyway). i, myself, am from east virginia, where the mythicality of states competes with the weather for most common topic of conversation. mARK bLOORE univ of toronto >From decvax!teklabs!tekid!wesw@harpo.UUCP Thu Jan 13 20:22:41 1983 remote from seismo Date: Thu Jan 13 13:35:24 1983 From: seismo!harpo!decvax!teklabs!tekid!wesw Subject: North Dakota Vote Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.290 [1/6/83]) id AA10662; 13-Jan-83 20:22:41-EST (Thu) To: teklabs!decvax!harpo!seismo!rochester!sher Date: Thu Jan 13 13:39:15 1983 1) I believe there is a North Dakota. 2) I have been in ND (twice!!), but didn't find much there. 3) My great aunt and uncle live in ND, and my grandmother was raised there. 4) I have some rock samples from ND, including some arrow heads found there. 5) It is windy. 6) ND is a nice place to visit, but don't ask me to live there. >From Avadis.Tevanian Fri Jan 14 00:59:57 1983 Date: 14 Jan 1983 00:58:58-EST From: Avadis.Tevanian To: David.Sher Subject: North Dakota I believe that it does indeed exist! Although I have no evidence, I find it hard to believe that this could actually be some type of hoax. Avie >From npoiv!alice!rabbit!nomi@harpo.UUCP Wed Jan 12 23:30:45 1983 remote from seismo Date: 12-Jan-83 23:30:45-EST (Wed) From: seismo!harpo!npoiv!alice!rabbit!nomi Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.290 [1/6/83]) id AA05563; 12-Jan-83 23:30:45-EST (Wed) Subj: North Dakota? What's that? Apparently-To: rocheste!sher I don't know of anyone who has ever been to "North Dakota". However, my ex-piano-teacher was from Arkansas, which ranks along with N.D. as one of the most forgettable states in the U.S.! Nomi Harris rabbit!nomi >From hplabs!intelqa!omsvax!jdm@hao.UUCP Wed Jan 12 21:43:57 1983 remote from seismo Date: Wed Jan 12 08:34:43 1983 From: seismo!hao!hplabs!intelqa!omsvax!jdm Subject: THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.290 [1/6/83]) id AA05062; 12-Jan-83 21:43:57-EST (Wed) To: intelqa!hplabs!hao!seismo!rocheste!sher Yes, I believe there is a place known as NORTH DAKOTA. My best friends girlfriend is from SOUTH DAKOTA and has been to NORTH DAKOTA many times. Also, my father has been through NORTH DAKOTA. He said that there were not aliens there, Instead, the whole state was alien, so that any aliens there didn't seem alien. MY QUESTION IS: is there any difference between NORTH DAKOTA and SOUTH DAKOTA??????? >From ariel!rra@harpo.UUCP Wed Jan 12 17:55:27 1983 remote from seismo Date: 12-Jan-83 17:55:27-EST (Wed) From: seismo!harpo!ariel!rra Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.290 [1/6/83]) id AA03088; 12-Jan-83 17:55:27-EST (Wed) Apparently-To: rocheste!sher I have sort of been waiting for this. I had an uncle who farmed in North Dakota. He was a fasinating charater. Claimed to have had the first 'iron horse', now known as tractors to pull the plow. H e farmed 36 quarter sections, why he didn't farm 9 sections is strange - they were not all in a clump, but scattered over several counties. He and his wife were the local school board, since the school building was on their farm, although they did not have any children. He had two Allis-Chalmers "cats", and in the winter kept the small one out on top of the snow. That is he worked it back up after every storm. It was considerably cloer to town in the winter, since he could cut across country instead of following the orads. (roads, that should be.) (The fourth sentence above should be qualified to be first in North Dakota.) He owned a telephone company. There were 8 or 9 subscribers on one party line. I connected to the Bell office in town. The wires were strung on fence posts, not telephone posts, except where they had to be raised to go across a road. (read It for I) Bell would not install such a line, soy instl=alled their own. I visited him once. So there is a place called North DAkota. His farm was not far from Devils Lake, which is frequently the coldest place in the US. But I was there in the summer. We had a watermelon eating contest, and he is the only person who has ever beaten me in such an event. Even if there is no North Dakota, there was a North Dakotan. Alatho he always said he was from Minnesota - where he was born. Even his name was strange. Harry Thoma Anderson. Whoever made out his birth certificate left the 's' off his middle name and he always wrote it that way. Not afraid to be an Anderson Dick Anderson >From decvax!yale-comix!wagar@harpo.UUCP Wed Jan 12 17:53:42 1983 remote from seismo Date: Wed Jan 12 12:53:49 1983 From: seismo!harpo!decvax!yale-comix!wagar Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.290 [1/6/83]) id AA03041; 12-Jan-83 17:53:42-EST (Wed) To: decvax!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher No, I haven't been to North Dakota, but I have been to South Dakota, and can vouch that it does indeed exist. Also, I have often seen Coke bottles reputedly from Fargo, N.Dak. Of course, some other town may be covering for Fargo. -Steve >From princeton!leei Wed Jan 12 14:32:58 1983 remote from allegra To: allegra!rochester!sher Subject: Vote : I don't believe NDakota exists. >From ihnp4!stolaf!borman@harpo.UUCP Wed Jan 12 00:31:05 1983 remote from seismo Date: 12-Jan-83 00:31:05-EST (Wed) From: seismo!harpo!ihnp4!stolaf!borman Subject: Re: GNDS Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA11844; 12-Jan-83 00:31:05-EST (Wed) To: ihnp4!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher Yes! North Dakota does exist! What is my proof? 1) my grandma lives in McVille, North Dakota. If North Dakota doesn't exist, YOU convince her of that! 2) Ask any businesman in Moorhead, MN. Seems lots of business have been moving across the river to Fargo ND for tax reasons. As before, if North Dakota doesn't exist, YOU convince those businesses that they are going nowhere. 3) If ND doesn't exist, then Rugby ND must not exist, and since Rugby ND is the geographical center of North America, that means North America does not have a geographical center. This is of course a contradiction, so so ND must exists. -Dave Borman St. Olaf College Northfield MN >From ihnss!lfw@harpo.UUCP Tue Jan 11 22:42:34 1983 remote from seismo Date: 11-Jan-83 22:42:34-EST (Tue) From: seismo!harpo!ihnss!lfw Subject: THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA11381; 11-Jan-83 22:42:34-EST (Tue) To: harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher, lfw Well, here's my 1/2 cents worth on the North Dakota issue. I went to school in Moorhead, Minnesota (about 100 mi from Lake Wobegone), which WE WERE TOLD was right across the Red River from Fargo, ND. I don't think ND exists, becuase if it did, people wouldn't have spent so much time telling us it did. If it did, it would have been obvious to all. "They" were really very clever about it... they invented NODAK jokes for the Minnesota folks to tell, they put ND licence plates on a lot of the cars (the police had to be in on it, too!), and they put signs up along all the highways. Have you noticed that all the maps in the country show ND? That means "they" are all over, becuase all the map companies have been infiltrated. What really gets me, though, is how many of "them" there are. If you venture across the Red River sometimes, everybody you meet will tell you you are in ND. People say they live there, and the businesses say they are there. I mean, thats a lotta folks telling you they're from ND! But I still say it's not there. If ND were all it's cracked up to be, then it would have been obvious when I was in it. I just didn't feel any different when I crossed the Red. I can only conclude that I was really still in Minnesota. See, I have experience with crossing state boundaries. Every other state leaves a distinct impression, like: IA: Really not as bad as all the jokers say it is. WI: A very nice place, but no jobs for computer people. IL: The pits. Terrible. Don't come here. But is has a job. NY: Go visit, but don't stay too long. Probably contageous. NJ: Are you from Joisey? CO: Nice. If you like hills, this is the place. CA: Crazy. Absolutely nutso. Ando so on. But when you go to ND, nothing happens. So I really can't delieve it's there. Enough said. Len Wyatt ihnss!lfw >From hplabs!hpda!twk@hao.UUCP Tue Jan 11 22:01:57 1983 remote from seismo Date: Tue Jan 11 17:00:36 1983 From: seismo!hao!hplabs!hpda!twk Subject: North Dakota Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA10912; 11-Jan-83 22:01:57-EST (Tue) To: hplabs!hao!seismo!rocheste!sher I've never been to/thru North Dakota, but I heard that there realy is such a place -- just hang a left at South Dakota, and keep going for a while. >From hplabs!sant@hao.UUCP Tue Jan 11 22:01:31 1983 remote from seismo Date: 11-Jan-83 22:01:31-EST (Tue) From: seismo!hao!hplabs!sant Subject: North Dakota survey Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA10885; 11-Jan-83 22:01:31-EST (Tue) To: hao!seismo!rocheste!sher (a) No (b) No (c) No >From hogpc!3133rvh@harpo.UUCP Tue Jan 11 20:58:15 1983 remote from seismo Date: 11-Jan-83 20:58:15-EST (Tue) From: seismo!harpo!hogpc!3133rvh Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA10530; 11-Jan-83 20:58:15-EST (Tue) To: harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher(harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher) >From hogpc!3133rvh Mon Jan 10, 1983 13:07:57 To: harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher(harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher) Your message concerning the North Dakota Survey immediately brought to mind the fact that Peter Schikele (the world famous P. D. Q. Bach expert) is a faculty member of the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. Indeed, I have attended one of his presentations where he showed pictures of the campus. I have spent some time pondering whether the above facts should be considered pro or con with respect to the existence of North Dakota. On the whole, I tend to doubt its existence. Rick Huber, ABI Lincroft >From ihuxr!dlr@harpo.UUCP Tue Jan 11 19:40:18 1983 remote from seismo Date: 11-Jan-83 19:40:18-EST (Tue) From: seismo!harpo!ihuxr!dlr Subject: North Dakota Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA10012; 11-Jan-83 19:40:18-EST (Tue) To: harpo!seismo!rochester!sher Cc: dlr, lew David, a) No b) No c) No Of course there is no such place as North Dakota (ND). ND is not a physical state, it is a mental state - in fact, the state of confusion. To really understand just how serious this problem is, all you need to do is look at a map of the US. Virtually every map of the country will show a large useless area labelled ND. This is caused by severe confusion on the part of the map makers. Since none of these map makers will admit that they are living in confusion, they fill in this part of the map with ND. It all boils down to the fact that map makers do not want to get junk mail. They list ND instead of their real state (confusion) so that all their junk mail goes to other people. Now, if we could just convince the IRS that we all live in ND... Dave Rosik ihuxr!dlr >From npoiv!npois!houxm!houxa!houxi!houxz!ihnp4!ixlpc!mhauck@harpo.UUCP Tue Jan 11 17:07:55 1983 remote from seismo Date: 11-Jan-83 17:07:55-EST (Tue) From: seismo!harpo!npoiv!npois!houxm!houxa!houxi!houxz!ihnp4!ixlpc!mhauck Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA08725; 11-Jan-83 17:07:55-EST (Tue) Apparently-To: rocheste!sher 1 I believe in North Dakota 2 We were in South Dakota (Mount Rushmore) and saw signs for North Dakota 3 None M.J.Hauck >From decvax!ittvax!ittapp!pedalman@harpo.UUCP Tue Jan 11 14:06:11 1983 remote from seismo Date: Tue Jan 11 13:23:51 1983 From: seismo!harpo!decvax!ittvax!ittapp!pedalman Subject: North Dakota Survey Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA06302; 11-Jan-83 14:06:11-EST (Tue) To: ittvax!decvax!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher 1. I believe N. Dakota exists 2. My Grandfather, Grandmother, and one of my uncles have been there. They are all of impecable character and would not lie about such a thing. 3. As proof, I uphold that North Dakota must surely exist or there would be no need for South Dakota, which I know exists because I saw the edge of it from Nebraska while on vacation one year. >From druxv!cdash@harpo.UUCP Tue Jan 11 11:20:14 1983 remote from seismo Date: 1/11/83, 8:43 AM From: seismo!c.m.shub Subject: north dakota Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA03780; 11-Jan-83 11:20:14-EST (Tue) To: harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher yes yes yes (i think) I have relatives who live (or say they do) in Minot! I have also been personally to what was supposed to be Fargo, ND. ...harpo!druxv!cdash {charlie shub} >From hplabs!faunt@hao.UUCP Tue Jan 11 04:46:08 1983 remote from seismo Date: 11-Jan-83 04:46:08-EST (Tue) From: seismo!hao!hplabs!faunt Subject: North Dakota Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA11819; 11-Jan-83 04:46:08-EST (Tue) To: hao!seismo!rocheste!sher I claim to have been there, in order to have been to my 49th state. My lover has rocks and pictures from there, however, a friend of mine claims that North Dakota is only a plot by South Dakotans to have four senators and that she personally has been at the South Dakota/Canada border. >From hplabs!hansen@hao.UUCP Tue Jan 11 04:45:58 1983 remote from seismo Date: 11-Jan-83 04:45:58-EST (Tue) From: seismo!hao!hplabs!hansen Subject: North Dakota Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA11805; 11-Jan-83 04:45:58-EST (Tue) To: hao!seismo!rocheste!sher a) No b) No c) No! Do you think we're crazy enough to believe in UFO's too? >From decvax!yale-comix!brunix!thf@harpo.UUCP Tue Jan 11 00:32:54 1983 remote from seismo Date: Mon Jan 10 22:45:16 1983 From: seismo!harpo!decvax!yale-comix!brunix!thf Subject: Re: rocheste.385: ANNOUNCING: THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA10396; 11-Jan-83 00:32:54-EST (Tue) To: yale-com!decvax!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher I have the following evidence for the existence of North Dakota: A friend of mine recently had a interview for a teaching position at a school which claimed to be located in that state. She received mail postmarked North Dakota. However, the interview took place in New York City. She is a radical economist, and the interviewer was extremely conservative, as well as bigotted (from her description) - which may be extra evidence for the nature of the inhabitants, if they exist. >From decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!petty@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 20:22:21 1983 remote from seismo Date: Mon Jan 10 19:05:14 1983 From: seismo!harpo!decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!petty Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY\n I spent a year in North Dakota on night. Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA09430; 10-Jan-83 20:22:21-EST (Mon) To: ittvax!decvax!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher >From decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!petty@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 20:22:12 1983 remote from seismo Date: Mon Jan 10 19:05:07 1983 From: seismo!harpo!decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!petty Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: THE GREAT NORTH DAKOTA SURVEY\n Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA09421; 10-Jan-83 20:22:12-EST (Mon) To: ittvax!decvax!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher I spent a year in North Dakota one night... Actually, I have been to Grand Forks, North Dakota many times and can attest to the fact that it existed on May 10, 1981. My brother came from there December 30, 1982 to spend a week with me. He related numerous tales implying the continued existence of Grand Forks although it would be fallacious to conclude the state of North Dakota exists from that shred of evidence. If you dial 1(701)555-1212 you can speak with people that think they are in North Dakota but it may be a Telephone Company Hoax. -Harry Petty ITT Telecommunications Product Development Center Des Plaines, Il. decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!petty >From npoiv!npois!houxm!whuxk!hjb@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 18:34:23 1983 remote from seismo Date: 10-Jan-83 18:34:23-EST (Mon) From: seismo!harpo!npoiv!npois!houxm!whuxk!hjb Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA08246; 10-Jan-83 18:34:23-EST (Mon) Apparently-To: rocheste!sher General George Custer was aleged to have left from North Dakota to go to the Little Big Horn, buut never to return. So if you believe in Custer, you accept North Dakota. (personnely, I think Custer was all a pr job) >From npoiv!npois!houxm!houxn!houxv!houxh!tdl@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 18:34:06 1983 remote from seismo Date: 10-Jan-83 18:34:06-EST (Mon) From: seismo!harpo!npoiv!npois!houxm!houxn!houxv!houxh!tdl Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA08236; 10-Jan-83 18:34:06-EST (Mon) To: houxv!houxn!houxm!npois!npoiv!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher I BELIEVE!!!! I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THE LAND OF NORTH DAKOTA. >From floyd!saf@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 18:08:26 1983 remote from seismo Date: 10-Jan-83 18:08:26-EST (Mon) From: seismo!harpo!floyd!saf Subject: survey Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA07634; 10-Jan-83 18:08:26-EST (Mon) To: harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher There can be no doubt that North Dakota exists. After all, Peter Schickely (sp?) hails from the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. Since P.D.Q Bach exists (witness the musical albums on Vanguard), then Schickely must exist (I also saw him in concert once), therefore North Dakota must exist because nature abhors a vacuum and no university can exist in a vacuum, vacuous though it may be... Incidentally, I can produce North Dakota for you on demand. It is kind of square, light red, and is covered with little black dots and writing. It is rather thin, being contained within a marvelous book called Atlas. The book also contains New Jersey which is interesting only because I live there. Thus, I suspect I am recursively contained in a dot on the page. Steve Falco PS - No, I'm not on drugs... >From npoiv!hou5f!hou5b!hou5c!hou5e!jjm@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 18:08:12 1983 remote from seismo Date: 10-Jan-83 18:08:12-EST (Mon) From: seismo!harpo!npoiv!hou5f!hou5b!hou5c!hou5e!jjm Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA07622; 10-Jan-83 18:08:12-EST (Mon) Apparently-To: rocheste!sher I have never been to North Dakota. No one I know has ever been to North Dakota. The only concrete reference to North Dakota that I can find is Hawkeye Pierce's oft-repeated question, "What is the capital of North Dakota?". However, since Hawkeye Pierce is a fictional character, we may infer that North Dakota is also fictional. Jim McParland ABI - Holmdel hou5e!jjm >From floyd!burl!rcj@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 15:57:46 1983 remote from seismo Date: 10 Jan 83 14:52:00 EST (Mon) From: seismo!harpo!floyd!burl!rcj Subject: North Dakota Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA05565; 10-Jan-83 15:57:46-EST (Mon) To: floyd!harpo!seismo!rochester!sher A) NO B) NO C) NO, except for a little green Martian who tried to ply me with little colored cigarettes from Mars and convince me that he was from North Dakota. (Reference the song "Martian Boogie" by Brownsville Station; don't get your hopes up -- it does not mention North Dakota). I personally think that, if there ever was a North Dakota, that it went the way of Atlantis and Mu and sank into the wheat fields long ago. The MAD Programmer -- Cornet 291-3814 alias: Curtis Jackson (...!floyd!burl!rcj) >From rabbit!wolit@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 15:57:28 1983 remote from seismo Date: 10-Jan-83 15:57:28-EST (Mon) From: seismo!harpo!rabbit!wolit Subject: ND Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA05551; 10-Jan-83 15:57:28-EST (Mon) To: harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher a) yes b) no c) yes >From npoiv!alice!rabbit!jj@harpo.UUCP Mon Jan 10 14:37:08 1983 remote from seismo Date: 10-Jan-83 14:37:08-EST (Mon) From: seismo!harpo!npoiv!alice!rabbit!jj Subject: Well, shucks! Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.284 [1/5/83]) id AA03962; 10-Jan-83 14:37:08-EST (Mon) To: alice!npoiv!harpo!seismo!rocheste!sher I've BEEN IN North Dakota. Not too interesting, you can't even leave your own Bis Mark... >From Rick.Floyd Mon Jan 10 05:20:21 1983 Date: 10 Jan 1983 05:18:16-EST From: Rick.Floyd To: David.Sher Subject: North Dakota Yes, I have been to North Dakota. I would never go again, and advise others not to go, either. And I thought New York was a wasteland!! I have some nice frostbite that I can submit as evidence of the existence of North Dakota. >From Rick.Floyd Thu Jan 6 15:07:51 1983 Date: 6 Jan 1983 15:05:56-EST From: Rick.Floyd To: David.Sher Subject: North Dakota exists, I'm afraid. A dismal place, not worth seeing or remembering. As for proof: I'll drop you off of the 11th floor balcony if you don't believe me. rick >From seismo!harpo!floyd!cmcl2!philabs!sdcsvax!sdccsu3!ee163cz Fri Feb 11 14:01:30 1983 Subject: God, North Dakota, and Everything Newsgroups: net.misc I would like to offer rebuttals to some assertions I have seen lately in this newsgroup: Assertion #1: God exists, by definition. The argument seems to be that God is by definition perfect in all respects, including being perfectly real. However, by the same argument God must also be perfectly imaginary. Thus, God, by definition, has both real and imaginary parts, and therefore is a complex entity, which, by Occam's Razor, should be removed from consideration. Assertion #2: It is safer to believe in God and maybe be wrong than to disbelieve and maybe be wrong. Well, yes, BUT... What makes *your* God any more plausible than the Great Green Arkleseizure, or Murray, the God of Veterinary Medicine, who wreaks terrible vengeance (in the afterlife) on those who neglected to sacrifice small furry animals to Him, or Squamish, the God of Small Furry Animals, who hates all Murrayites? Assuming that a potentially vengeful God exists, He will probably be terribly offended if you worship some imposter -- probably more so than if you simply and honestly don't believe. Maybe we should all just worship Bruce the Sun God, who is currently making a personal (godal?) appearance here at SCUD. Assertion #3: North Dakota does not exist. My grandparents live there. That is to say, if I exist, then my grandparents also exist, and therefore N.D. exists. However, many of those who know me seem to doubt my existence. Does this mean I may be God? -- Eric J. Wilner (on bad days F. J. Gumby) >From seismo!harpo!ihnp4!ihuxx!fargo Sat Feb 12 14:34:56 1983 Subject: NORTH DAKOTA EXISTS Newsgroups: net.misc Count 1 subscriber who grew up in ND. - ihuxx!fargo (Fargo,ND) ------------------------------------------------------ I hope you all enjoyed this message from your favorite ofttimes AI project David Sher sher@rochester] seismo!rochester!sher