gam@amdahl.UUCP (G A Moffett) (06/14/85)
I am beginning to feel that ucla-cs!alex has "gone too far".
It may interest you to know that the Usenet contact person
at ucla-cs is Doris McClure, ihnp4!ucla-cs!doris.
I suggest rather than flaming to her that you should send an
example of Alex's postings so that Alex may represent himself
directly....
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Gordon A. Moffett ...!{ihnp4,cbosgd,sun}!amdahl!gamkyle@ucla-cime.UUCP (Kyle D. Henriksen) (06/20/85)
>From: gam@amdahl.UUCP (G A Moffett) >I am beginning to feel that ucla-cs!alex has "gone too far". >It may interest you to know that the Usenet contact person >at ucla-cs is Doris McClure, ihnp4!ucla-cs!doris. >I suggest rather than flaming to her that you should send an >example of Alex's postings so that Alex may represent himself >directly.... >-- >Gordon A. Moffett ...!{ihnp4,cbosgd,sun}!amdahl!gam Well I'm glad to see that someone out there is stupid enough to start giving out system administrator's addresses. Thats right, these people have nothing better to do than deal with idiots who decide that they don't like what a particular user is posting to the net. I wish that you and the rest of net fascists would find something better to do with your time besides occupying the time of people who actually work. Kyle Henriksen PS: The opinions expressed above are mine alone and not necessarily those of my employer.
chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) (06/24/85)
[note: this has been crosslinked to net.news and further followups are being pointed there as this is the most appropriate group for this discussion] In article <131@ucla-cime.UUCP> kyle@ucla-cime.UUCP (Kyle D. Henriksen) writes: >>From: gam@amdahl.UUCP (G A Moffett) >>I am beginning to feel that ucla-cs!alex has "gone too far". > >>It may interest you to know that the Usenet contact person >>at ucla-cs is Doris McClure, ihnp4!ucla-cs!doris. > Well I'm glad to see that someone out there is stupid enough to start >giving out system administrator's addresses. Thats right, these people have >nothing better to do than deal with idiots who decide that they don't like >what a particular user is posting to the net. I wish that you and the rest >of net fascists would find something better to do with your time besides >occupying the time of people who actually work. Well, I'll start by pointing out the obvious and say that part of being the System Administrators job at a site is taking complaints off of the net when one of the users steps beyond the bounds of proper use of the network. Anyone has the right to make a formal complaint, if they so wish, especially when discussing the incident directly with the transgressor doesn't help. (This is especially true when the screwup is because the person thinks that the network is a right and not a priviledge, and thinks they can do anything they want). If the SA doesn't want a lot of screaming fascists filling their mailbox, they should make sure that the people on their site aren't acting like mongoloid idiots with a lobotomy. Not that I'm accusing anyone at UCLA of acting that way, of course.... (I'm just implying it heavily...) As an official net fascist, and as usenet manager here at nsc, I did send a letter off to the ucla SA suggesting that she take a look at a couple of specific articles and see if she wanted that kind of material to be considered represtentative for her site. I do not read net.flame, I gave up on that cesspool long ago, but I got a couple of complaints from readers on my site and checked up on it. The situation in net.flame has degraded to the point where I'm not considering simply removing it from distribution on my site. I saw a number of articles (many from ucla-cs, but also from other locations) that I considered very close to libel/slander and a number of others that were simply disgusting. Since I'm always looking for ways to keep my phone bills in line, I find I'm tired of spending my company's money so that people like Scott Turner can shoot off his mouth in public. A final decision hasn't been made, but I think that between the recent postings coming out of ucla and other places on the net into net.flame (and sliming into better groups) and the ever growing volume of Usenet are going to force me into a decision to simply take the groups with the lowest volume of useful information and highest volume and send them into the great bit bucket in the sky. I'm very hesitant to make a decision of this sort, because it sets some rather nasty precedents, but at the same time I wonder if it might be time for such precedents to be set. I've been talking with a number of people on the net about ways to keep costs and volumes in line, and we simply haven't found any useful solutions [I keep Stargate separate from this discussion, because Stargate is really a separate network]. I think it is time for the network to shrink a bit and restructure itself to be more productive and professional in character. Since I can't find a group of people who are willing/able to coordinate this shrinkage, the best I can do is be arbitrary about it and try to shrink the net for my own site and my downstream neighbors and only accept the subset of the network that we feel serves our needs. -- :From the misfiring synapses of: Chuq Von Rospach {cbosgd,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!chuqui nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA The offices were very nice, and the clients were only raping the land, and then, of course, there was the money...
shp@crystal.UUCP (06/24/85)
[Apologies for reposting all this; methinks it is necessary] > >It may interest you to know that the Usenet contact person > >at ucla-cs is Doris McClure, ihnp4!ucla-cs!doris. > >I suggest rather than flaming to her that you should send an > >example of Alex's postings so that Alex may represent himself > >directly.... > >Gordon A. Moffett ...!{ihnp4,cbosgd,sun}!amdahl!gam > > Well I'm glad to see that someone out there is stupid enough to start > giving out system administrator's addresses. Thats right, these people have > nothing better to do than deal with idiots who decide that they don't like > what a particular user is posting to the net. I wish that you and the rest > of net fascists would find something better to do with your time besides > occupying the time of people who actually work. > > Kyle Henriksen Wrong, although I'm sure you mean well. In the case of any other net abuser, you'd be quit correct, but not dear Alex. Free speech is one thing, shouting "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse is quite another. Alex's "cute" games with the followup line DO interfere with "people who actually work." He's causing all this excess verbiage from net.flame (my favorite group) to be spread to inoffensive and informative groups, who have no interest in reading endless tirades. This isn't "free speech", this is "illegal dumping." Site admins ARE responsible for what comes out of their sites; if the good people at ucla-cs are allowing one of their own to trash the net, something must be done. And chances are that Doris McClure is quite able to deal with voluminous mail, particularly when confronted with dozens of identical "Subject: Alex the Jerk" lines. Besides, better the side admin than the Board of Regents (who DON'T know how to deal with dozens of flames, electronic or otherwise! :-1/2-). =shp
maybee@gpp1.UUCP (Joe Maybee) (06/28/85)
In article <131@ucla-cime.UUCP> kyle@ucla-cime.UUCP (Kyle D. Henriksen) writes: >>-- >>Gordon A. Moffett ...!{ihnp4,cbosgd,sun}!amdahl!gam > > Well I'm glad to see that someone out there is stupid enough to start >giving out system administrator's addresses. Thats right, these people have >nothing better to do than deal with idiots who decide that they don't like >what a particular user is posting to the net. Tough nuggets, honey! That's part of a systems administrators' responsibility. That's what they get paid for, like it or not. If they have to pull in the reigns on someone who goes overboard, that's life. >I wish that you and the rest >of net fascists would find something better to do with your time besides Yammer, yammer, yammer....blah, blah, blah. Net fascists? Another tired old "platitude." Flattery will get you nowhere with THAT group! ---Joe Maybee
bytebug@pertec.UUCP (roger long) (06/29/85)
It's not like the information that Gordon posted was secret or anything.
The systems administrators are in the map files that are posted to the
net for everyone interested.
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roger long
pertec computer corp
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