[net.origins] Jupiter/Saturn, Live Stars?

ted@imsvax.UUCP (07/21/84)

              The concept of Jupiter and Saturn having been live
          stars is well known to followers of the Velikovsky
          controversy, but less well known to the general
          scientific community.  Consider the following: stars
          are generally thought to be thermonuclear engines, but
          our sun, in many ways, acts like an electro magnetic
          engine.  Rather than getting cooler the further one
          goes from its center, as one would expect in the case
          of a thermonuclear engine, the sun gets cooler from its
          center to its surface, and then much hotter again out
          towards the photosphere.  Ralph Juergens and others
          have proposed a theory in which stars appear as focal
          points of gigantic interstellar electrical discharges,
          a theory which first appeared in the old Pensee journal
          and may still be available in print in Doubledays
          "Velikovsky Reconsidered".  This theory makes for
          interesting reading for those who can understand it;
          it describes thermonuclear reactions in stars as an
          effect rather than a cause.
              Consider the scenario in which a relatively large
          star (like our sun) was to capture one or two small
          stars ( like Jupiter or Saturn).  If the thermonuclear
          theory were correct, the small stars might reasonably
          be expected to remain stars. However, given the other
          theory, the two small stars would die.  Imagine
          watching a small (hundred and fifty foot) lightning rod
          glowing in a storm when, suddenly, the ACME lightning
          rod company truck drives up and, in the middle of the
          storm, ACME employees build a thousand foot lightning
          rod right next to the smaller one.  The smaller
          lightning rod, no longer the path of least resistance,
          the focal point of the discharge, would cease glowing.
              That such was the fate of Jupiter and Saturn was
          the unanimous belief of the ancient world. However,
          lacking anything like our understanding of
          electrodynamics and physics, they did not couch those
          stories in the kinds of terms we would.  To them, the
          gods had grown old and died.  The clearest of the
          ancient versions of this tale is found in Dr. E. A.
          Wallis Budge's "Gods of the Egyptions", written in the
          1890's.  It describes the god Ra (Jupiter) having grown
          old and feeble, and mankind blaspheming him, and Ra
          sending his eye, the goddess Sekhet (whom philogists
          had identified with the planet Venus before Velikovsky
          was born) to slay all of mankind.  This is essentially
          the major story told in "Worlds in Collision".  Note
          also that the red spot on Jupiter, which was  visible
          to the ancients, is shaped like a human eye and is
          clearly the inspiration for the pervasive references to
          "eye of Ra" and the "eye of Horus" in Egyption lore.
              On the subject of debunkings, I feel compelled to
          note the following observation:  that some pretty
          thorough debunkings have tended to look rather bad in






          future centuries.  Remember Edouard Hanslick, the man
          who "debunked" Richard Wagner?  The most prominant
          Viennese opera critic of his day, he is remembered
          today only, if at all, as the little man who called
          Richard Wagner a charlatan.  Do any of you remember the
          names of the little men who "debunked" Copernicus and
          Galileo?  Immanuel Velikovsky's critics will be
          remembered about the same way in a hundred years or so.