ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) (08/29/84)
[Go ahead, eat this line.] This article is a followup to Paul DuBois commenting on Ken Perlow commenting on Paul Dubois. Rather than repeat their arguments I'm going to assume everybody has read these articles. The problem with believing that c, the speed of light, is a function of time, is, as Ken pointed out, that a constant speed of light is a basic part of our current ideas about the nature of physics. This ideas have been subjected to a great deal of experimental testing and so deserve to be taken seriously. If there were any evidence indicating that c were, nevertheless, a function of time, then this would cause of a crises in modern physics. This is not bad, this is exciting. Since there is no such evidence, we can ignore the possibility. This leads into a problem in cosmology which people have worried about in a somewhat different context. To what extent can we be confident that the laws of physics determined locally apply to the entire observable universe? The fact that the chemistry of ancient rocks and the spectra of distant quasars make sense according to these laws presents us with reasonable reassurance. Theories which involve changing fundamental constants have to make all the changes at unobservable epochs in order to be consistent with observations. This leaves the age and structure of the universe unaffected. Of course, if you change all fundamental constants together in such a way as to conceal the change from any observer then you have simply changed the semantics, not the content, of physics. One could claim the universe is "really" 6000 years old but physics has changed so that all our age indicators point to 10 billion years. However, this is equivalent to saying that any observer present from the beginning would have recorded the passage of 10 billion years. The date of 6000 years then becomes a meaningless fiction. As a general philosophical point, it is worth pointing out that the fact that scientific conclusions are always tentative does not mean that all ideas deserve to treated equally seriously. Some ideas account for our observations in a natural and economical way, some conflict with observations, and some are consistent with the observations but do not account for them in an economical way. The first category of theories deserve to be treated as science, the second do not. The third category is very very very large. It includes those theories that we will regard, at some future time, as correct, but only as an infinitesimal subset. The overwhelming majority are nonsense. "Scientific" creationism often falls into the second category, depending on whose version you listen to, but more usually it falls into the third category. This doesn't make it science. This makes it an unlikely idea about the nature of the universe. I have serious doubts as whether any version of creationism I have heard propounded is testable in any sense. If not, this makes it impossible for it to *ever* move from the third category to the first. Mentioning it in school as a viable theory would be fair and reasonable only if we presented it along with a list of other equally, or more, likely possibilities. To accord them all equal time would require giving scientific creationism some small fraction of second. This would be fair to everybody, except the poor students whose time would be wasted. "Cute signoffs are for Ethan Vishniac perverts" {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan Department of Astronomy University of Texas Austin, Texas 78712 P.S - In reviewing the articles submitted over the summer I have the impression that someone has defended the argument that thermodynamics forbids evolution on the grounds that the universe as a whole is a closed system. This is irrelevant. The total entropy of the solar system ( sun, planets and nearby space) is certainly increasing regardless of the evolution of life on Earth. Local fluctuations in entropy are not forbidden by thermodynamics, in fact they are expected in situations far from equilibrium (that's our planet).