ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) (09/08/84)
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Did Dick Dunn *REALLY* agree to discuss creationism without
reference to religion?????????
I try to keep up on this newsgroup, but I sure missed that one!
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I don't think Dick has to repost his request for a presentation
of scientific creationism. But what about the request I posted
in response to that one. I know it got out there. I read many
articles titled "Re: Let's have scientific evolutionism too",
but their content didn't match my request.
One of them was an attempt by Larry Bickford to respond to Dick's
request, which was in turn responded to by others. Others were
just shorty jokes like "How about religious evolutionism? :-)" and
a response to that by Paul DuBois: "That's what we have now." with
resulting flames in response to that.
That's all I saw. Maybe I didn't see it all. It's usually easier
to play the skeptic than it is to play the apologist, no matter what
the issue.
I've seen proponents of evolutionism argue on two opposing fronts.
One objection to creationism it that it can't be proved wrong because
the Creator's supernatural powers can be invoked whimsically to solve
inconsistencies in the evidence. These people ususally go on to
discredit it with their arguments anyway. On the other hand, when
creationists play skeptic and point out gaps and inconsistencies in
evolution the standard apologia is that evolutionism is not dogmatic
and there is still a lot we cannot explain but which will be explained.
We should not expect evolutionists to have all the answers because
scientific knowledge is growing.
It seems to me that creationists are supposed to have an air-tight
scientific model for their theory to be considered science, but
evolutionists don't have to. With evolution, the faith that science
will fill in the gaps with the right evolutionistic answers is
acceptable, but the persuit of the same answers along the lines of
the existence of a purposeful Creator is not.
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The true light that enlightens every one was coming
into the world... (John 1:9)brower@fortune.UUCP (Richard Brower) (09/14/84)
> > It seems to me that creationists are supposed to have an air-tight > scientific model for their theory to be considered science, but > evolutionists don't have to. With evolution, the faith that science > will fill in the gaps with the right evolutionistic answers is > acceptable, but the persuit of the same answers along the lines of > the existence of a purposeful Creator is not. > -- > > Paul Dubuc {cbosgd,ihnp4}!cbscc!pmd > > The true light that enlightens every one was coming > into the world... (John 1:9) Gee, and here I have thought all along that an air-tight case is what the creationists have been claiming they had. After all, what more argument do you need than, "God did it" and "all evidence that would lead one to a different conclution is put there by some manevelent creature to fool those dumb enough to be taken in". Richard Brower Fortune Systems {ihnp4,ucbvax!amd,hpda,sri-unix,harpo}!fortune!brower
rcd@opus.UUCP (Dick Dunn) (09/18/84)
Aha! At last, one question I'm really sure I'm qualified and able to answer (maybe, I think, if I don't screw it up...) > Did Dick Dunn *REALLY* agree to discuss creationism without > reference to religion????????? Almost. What I did was pose a request to the "scientific creationists"-- namely, to give us an explanation of creationism which doesn't involve religion. Unfortunately, no one has done so yet, though it has been necessary to point out the religion in a couple of response postings (by which I've digressed to discussing religion, only to exclude it:-) But I've tried, Mike, honest I have. Incidentally, I'm still waiting for a response to the question, "What (in simple terms) is scientific creationism, as distinguished from religious creationism?" Should I repost the request or just forget it? -- Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086 ...Keep your day job 'til your night job pays.