[net.origins] An aquatic phase in human evolution?

randy@utcsrgv.UUCP (Randall S. Becker) (05/02/84)

>	Isn't there a rare recessive gene for webbed fingers and toes?
>	Dan Breslau
>	...ihnp4!crsp!gargoyle!dan

May I point out that according to the "generally accepted" paths but which
humans evolved, there did exist a period of human evolution which was spent
under water. We (and I use the term loosely) were not of the homo sapien 
species at that time however; rather we resembled something like a fish,
as am example. To my knowledge, genes don't just vanish, except in the case
of mutation. Have a look as some photographs of the embryonic phases of 
most mammals and fishes (and birds, and ...) and note the striking
similarities. Note also that there is probably a "rare recessive gene" for
gill slits! (not :-) )


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dan@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP (Dan Breslau) (05/04/84)

>>	Isn't there a rare recessive gene for webbed fingers and toes?
>>	Dan Breslau  ...ihnp4!crsp!gargoyle!dan

>	May I point out that according to the "generally accepted" paths but
>	which humans evolved, there did exist a period of human evolution
>	which was spent under water. We (and I use the term loosely) were
>	not of the homo sapien species at that time however; rather we
>	resembled something like a fish, as am example. To my knowledge,
>	genes don't just vanish, except in the case of mutation. Have a look
>	as some photographs of the embryonic phases of most mammals and
>	fishes (and birds, and ...) and note the striking similarities. Note
>	also that there is probably a "rare recessive gene" for gill slits!
>	(not :-) )

Yes, of course.  "Oncogeny recapitulates phylogeny."  First of
all, yes, genes *do* vanish from a species -- especially if
they're dominant, and a hinderance to survival.  That's basic
Darwinism.  If they're recessive, they may disappear, or simply
become very rare.  I strongly doubt that any there is a gene
left for gill slits in humans -- past the embyronic stage --
because such a gene is a negative survival trait.  Nor do any
humans lay eggs, although our distant ancestors in the sea did.

I was simply suggesting that this trait (webbing in fingers and
toes) could have evolved during the (relatively recent) aquatic
stage.  I actually consider it more likely than that the gene
is a holdover from an even more remote time.

Dan Breslau

...ihnp4!crsp!gargoyle!dan

hardie@uf-csg.UUCP (Peter T Hardie [stdnt]) (11/02/84)

there was an article in a magazine (perhaps Science or Discover, I don't
remember) that postulated an aquatic/amphibious ape in Man's ancestry.  It
based this on the pattern of hair on the body, which is arranged in a sort
of flow pattern along the arms and other areas.  The author(s) suggested that
a pre-homonid ape developed a semi-aquatic lifestyle, possibly in a way
similar to that of the Japanese macques.
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