[net.origins] Is Creation really SIMPLER!?

tynor@gitpyr.UUCP (Steve Tynor) (11/15/84)

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From Larry Bickford:

> Ray Mooney:
> > I am still waiting for a creationist to address the problem of their
> > complicated ontology and answer the question "Who created the Creator
> > and where is he/she?"
> 
> "Complicated ontology"? Creation is by far the simpler ontology.
> The latter question will be answer when "science" answers the issue of
> First Cause.

Larry, what does First Cause have to do with evolution?  The
question of First Cause is a philosophical one.  What if the
universe has existed forever and we're stuck in some kind of
cosmic infinite loop?  Then there is no First Cause.  It certainly
doesn't affect the theory of evolution.

> Alternatively, one can ask where the material for the Big
> Bang (or the Inflationary Universe) came from.

Again I ask... What does this have to do with the evolution of life
on earth?  Evolution does not require the Big Bang.  The Big Bang is
a cosmological theory quite separate from the biological question of
the evolution of life.  

On the other hand, the concept of supernatural creation requires a
supernatural creator, and we must (as scientists) ask how this
simplifies matters.  We've introduced a new dimension into the natural
world (the supernatural) and we must now ask what forces control that
creator.  Simply arguing that we can't ever know that (which is true
enough...) doesn't solve the problem.

This supernatural creator is purported to not only create the
universe (which is something that science at present cannot counter) but
also to have created life on earth species by species. Science, on
the other hand, has collected an enormous amount of evidence that 
(at the risk of sounding dogmatic) convincingly shows that life has
evolved.  

It is certainly easier for the non-scientist to ascribe the origin
of life to a supernatural creator.  But then it is also easier to
ascribe the occasional tornado to an angry god than to trace the
miriad of forces that contributed to the generation of the tornado.
I'm sure that you agree that the angry god is not needed to explain
the tornado, and that his introduction only complicates matters.
You may easily expand this analogy to the creation/evolution
question.

Simply saying that your ontology is simpler won't cut the mustard.
You've introduced an entirely new force (with little or no
justification) into the natural world.  Science relies only on the
physical universe which any one of us is free to observe. 

So I echo Ray Mooney's question:   when are we going to hear a
creationist confront the matter of their complicated ontology?

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