miller@uiucdcsb.UUCP (11/30/84)
> To sum up, I think that creationist children should not be > required to attend classes that they deem offensive to > their religion. At the same time, we should make sure that > creationists will not force pseudo-science into the science > classroom. > Yosi Hoshen > ============== > Would you leave a child with parents > who starve it for food? No? Why then would you leave it with parents > who starve it for mental food? Malnutrition of the brain has the same > general effects in both cases. > Martin Taylor This is really dumb. I know I said I wasn't going to reply to anything until I finished the SOR pamphlets, but I couldn't let this pass by. No creationist individual/group I'm aware of advocates taking children out of evolutionary classrooms and/or not allowing them exposure to evolution. Quite the contrary, all creationist individuals/groups I'm aware of advocates presenting *all* of the evidence available for evolution and *all* of the evidence available for creation. Creationists, you see, apparently have a higher respect for the intelligence of students than do evolutionists. We feel when presented with *both sides*, students are smart enough to make up their own minds. Now what we have here is yet another example of evolutionists posting myths to the net. The inference they have created is that creationists don't want their children to hear about evolution. Homework: Demonstrate said claim or retract it. I'll accept any published statement, in context, from ICR, CRS, BSA, or SOR. A. Ray Miller Univ Illinois
ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) (12/05/84)
[] >A. Ray Miller >No creationist individual/group I'm aware of advocates taking children out of >evolutionary classrooms and/or not allowing them exposure to evolution. Quite >the contrary, all creationist individuals/groups I'm aware of advocates >presenting *all* of the evidence available for evolution and *all* of the >evidence available for creation. Creationists, you see, apparently have a >higher respect for the intelligence of students than do evolutionists. We feel >when presented with *both sides*, students are smart enough to make up their >own minds. As I understand it, the arguments in this newsgroup are about whether there is *any* sense in which any version of creationism is a scientific theory and whether there is *any* evidence to support it. Based on what I've read here I'd say no to both. That being the case I think that the scientific evidence for creationism *is being* presented in schools, because there isn't any. I'm of the opinion that if one deliberately lies to children by repeating the material contained your postings then one is wasting their time at best, and seriously damaging their education at worst. "I can't help it if my Ethan Vishniac knee jerks" {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan Department of Astronomy University of Texas Austin, Texas 78712