[net.origins] WARNING TO SCIENTISTS

hua@cmu-cs-gandalf.ARPA (Ernest Hua) (02/28/85)

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To all scientists:

	You do realize that the creationists will never cease to bother
you.  You do realize that the creationists will never accept any inter-
mediates.  (To do so only brings their fallacies into the light.)  You
do realize that if you find an intermediate, you will only make their
argument easier because they now have TWO gaps to complain about.  You
do realize that they argue on the ABSENCE of evidence, not the presence
of it.  You do realize that they accept an authority that is beyond your
realm of study.  You do realize that this authority is predefined by the
pseudoscientists in the creationist crowd.  (refer to ICR/CRS)  You do
realize that they are NOT seeking YOUR opinion on the subject.  You do
realize that they are trying to force THEIR opinion on YOUR children by
making laws that say what is science and what is not WITHOUT YOUR SAY.
(After all, how could scientists know anything about science?!)  You do
realize that they use the lowest, slimiest methods of deception possible
to con the public into thinking that they actually do the kind of work
YOU do, find the evidence YOU find, use the same logic YOU use, and
BETTER YET, they have the support of GOD.  You do realize that they
are selfish and narrow-minded enough to want to destroy YOU for their
own rusty traditional beliefs.  You do realize that ...


	SO WHAT ARE YOU JUST STANDING THERE SO THEY COULD BULLDOZE
	YOU OVER CLEAN AND DESTROY THE ONLY HUMAN INSTITUTION THAT
	BROUGHT MAN OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND PUT HIM ON THE MOON?!

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Keebler

dimitrov@csd2.UUCP (Isaac Dimitrovsky) (03/01/85)

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	I am not a creationist myself. However, I don't think that
the rhetoric in that last letter was called for. I'd like to see
more solid discussions of evolutionist and creationist positions
in this newsgroup, as opposed to personal attacks and futile discussions
of which side is honest/dishonest.

	Isaac Dimitrovsky

ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) (03/08/85)

> I'd like to see
> more solid discussions of evolutionist and creationist positions
> in this newsgroup, as opposed to personal attacks and futile discussions
> of which side is honest/dishonest.

I'd like to see some solid discussion of this issue, also.  For
almost two years I have observed Scientists and fellow travelers
asking, nay demanding, that someone post some solid evidence
that a creator created the world as we know it.  The best we
have gotten is evidence that there is something incomplete about
our knowlege of origins.  This is not disputed by anyone.  This
is also no evidence for the theory of creation by creator.

Charges of dishonesty are bound to arise when people who call
themselves scientists engage in activities that are regarded
by the world of science as unethical.  This is essential to the
well-being of science.

Creationists consistently engage in behavior that would result
in professonal ruin if done by a real scientist.  Since they
are religious, rather than scientific, people this behavior
is supported and applauded by their peers.

Everything about Creationism and Creationist points to the
fact that it is not science and they are not scientists and to
suggest otherwise is a lie.  And telling lies is dishonest. 
And no amount of whining is going to change this basic reality.
-- 

Michael Ward, NCAR/SCD
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