dimitrov@csd2.UUCP (Isaac Dimitrovsky) (03/09/85)
[] To the creationists on this net - come on, people! I can understand your not posting detailed explanations of exactly what, besides the wrongness of evolution, creationists believe. After all, it takes time to organize your thoughts, do research, etc. However, ten days ago (Feb 28), Bill Jefferys took the trouble to post the material quoted below, which is apparently a statement which all applicants to the CRS must subscribe to. At that time, he asked the creationists on the net whether they would be willing to sign this statement, and, if not, what parts of the statement they would disagree with. It certainly doesn't seem like too much trouble to read an eighteen line statement and give your comments on it. If you did so, some of the discussion in this group might take place in a bit less of a vacuum. However, to date the only response I've seen has been the one from Karen Gardner (who agreed with it completely). So, I close with a plea to the big guns of creationism in this group to let us hear what you have to say. Ray? Paul? Ken? Are you out there? Isaac Dimitrovsky >"1. The Bible is the written word of God, and because we believe it to be > inspired thruout, all of its assertions are historically and > scientifically true in all the original autographs. To the students of > nature, this means that the account of origins in Genesis is a factual > presentation of simple historical truths. >"2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct > creative acts of God during Creation Week as described in Genesis. > Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation have > accomplished only changes within the original created kinds. >"3. The great Flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the > Noachian Deluge, was an historical event, worldwide in its extent and > scope. >"4. Finally, we are an organization of Christian men of science, who > accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. The account of the special > creation of Adam and Eve as one man and one woman, and their subsequent > Fall into sin, is the basis for our belief in the necessity of a > Savior for all mankind. Therefore, salvation can only come thru > accepting Jesus Christ as Savior."
dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) (03/12/85)
> [Isaac Dimitrovsky] > To the creationists on this net - come on, people! I can understand your > not posting detailed explanations of exactly what, besides the wrongness > of evolution, creationists believe. After all, it takes time to organize > your thoughts, do research, etc. However, ten days ago (Feb 28), Bill > Jefferys took the trouble to post the material quoted below, which is > apparently a statement which all applicants to the CRS must subscribe to. > At that time, he asked the creationists on the net whether they would be > willing to sign this statement, and, if not, what parts of the statement > they would disagree with. It certainly doesn't seem like too much trouble > to read an eighteen line statement and give your comments on it. If you > did so, some of the discussion in this group might take place in a bit > less of a vacuum. However, to date the only response I've seen has been > the one from Karen Gardner (who agreed with it completely). So, I close > with a plea to the big guns of creationism in this group to let us hear > what you have to say. Ray? Paul? Ken? Are you out there? I'd sign it. I will post more comments, hopefully, when I get out from under my (currently large) workload. So don't jump to conclusions ... after all, I occasionally argue from the standpoint of the evolutionist. -- Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois | --+-- "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but | the honor of kings is to search out a matter" | Proverbs 25:2