[net.origins] To Ken re Popper/Evolution

lew@ihlpa.UUCP (Lew Mammel, Jr.) (03/13/85)

It seems to me that you shifted gears in your reply. First it was,
"Extra! Extra! get your red hot ad hoc hypotheses ..." and "Extra!
Extra! Evolution is true - it must be so because we all say so!"
... and you wonder what I mean by "quote attack" !

Now it's "Evolution in the broad sense, from molecules to man, is
not absolutely testable." Well Ken there's an awful lot of ground
between ad hoc hypotheses and absolute testability.  Obviously
you realize this, but then why do you vacillate so?

To get to some of your substantive points: you say it's a materialist
presumption that mammals MUST have evolved since there was a time
when there were none.  But the mammals didn't spring full blown
into the fossil record. There was a time when there were a few basic
forms, and a time after that with elaborations of these forms, and
a time after THAT when some of these forms radiated into fantastic
varieties.  Also, before the mammals there were the therapsids.

Furthermore, the mammals are only one example of a new class appearing
in the fossil record.  If you want to argue for many special creations
taking place at different times over billions of years, fine. But
let's be clear about the FACTS of earth history.

In your original article you ridiculed the notion of a reptilian
ancestry of birds with your sarcastic remark: "Of course true-believers,
in the meantime keep checking Frank Purdue's chickens for teeth."

Well, the ever-doubting E. J. Kollar and C. Fisher (SCIENCE 207:993, 1980)
have done just that - and found them! As recounted by Futuyma in SCIENCE
ON TRIAL, they were able to induce embryonic tissue from the jaw of a chicken
to develop teeth.  I think it likely that as chromosomal mapping techniques
become more and more sophisticated a whole panoply of ancestral genes
will be revealed in many organisms.  Would this count as evidence, Ken?

Enough for now.

	Lew Mammel, Jr. ihnp4!ihlpa!lew