ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) (03/17/85)
[] [I'd sign it. However, (and this obviates or vitiates much of the [point of Bill's posting) I would not sign it if a clause such as the [following were added: "Point (2) means literal week and I will never [consider whether it could possibly mean anything else." Here we have the classical "out" that is required for all who profess to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. "It don't really mean what it says!!!" Week doesn't mean week, day isn't really day. Black is white and war is peace. Come on, Paul. If Genesis is a statement of simple historical fact, then the words mean what they mean, and not whatever you feel like making them mean. Not even Hayakawa tried to make words *THAT* mushy. (Obscure reference, anyone?) -- Michael Ward, NCAR/SCD UUCP: {hplabs,nbires,brl-bmd,seismo,menlo70,stcvax}!hao!ward ARPA: hplabs!hao!ward@Berkeley BELL: 303-497-1252 USPS: POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307
pmd@cbscc.UUCP (Paul Dubuc) (03/19/85)
Some people (like myself) have a problem with the literal week (7 24-hr. periods) in Genesis because the sun wasn't created until the fourth "day". It seems like the "days" weren't solar days, at least. The ICR creationists interpret the periods as seven 24-hr days. But others, see other interpretations as being more consistent. An example whould be Dr. Pattle P. T. Pun (PhD biology). See his book "Evolution: Nature and Scripture in Conflict?". Pun is a creationist, not a theistic evolutionist. His book is very well done; one of the best of creationsist books, I think. -- Paul Dubuc cbscc!pmd
schwadro@aecom.UUCP (David Schwadron) (03/19/85)
> Here we have the classical "out" that is required for all who profess > to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. "It don't really > mean what it says!!!" > > Week doesn't mean week, day isn't really day. Black is white and war > is peace. > > Come on, Paul. If Genesis is a statement of simple historical fact, > then the words mean what they mean, and not whatever you feel like > making them mean. The words of the bible can't mean what they literally mean. "And it was evening and it was morning - the first day." What is evening and morning, or a day for that matter without a sun to rise and set? Without any events (other than the acts of creation themselves) as a point of referance? Non-literal interpretation is a fundamental part of the Jewish belief. When was the last time you have seen a Jew wear his phylactaries "between his eyes" and not on his forehead? Or a man who actually lost his "eye for an eye"? The Bible is a moral code, not a history book. It shouldn't be expected to give literal historical truths. Number two - (pardon to all fundametalists) who ever said the Bible is open to a person's whim about interprtation? The Jewish opinion is that along with the Written Law, G-d gave Moses an Oral Law, all of it hidden and hinted in the written Bible, and there are traditions about how it should be understood. For example, it says (about the festival Tabernacles) "...and you should take four breeds; a good fruit....", is this any indication what breed a "good fruit" is? Or phylacteries (to resume an example I started earlyer), all that is said in description is "...and these words which I teach you shall be upon your heart; and you should teach them to your children, and you should speak of it, when you go to sleep, and when you wake up. And you should tie them as a sign to your hand and a phylactery between your eyes" - a totally imractical guideline to follow too vague. The Oral Law was presented to give us insight into the meaning. Maimonides (12 cent. Spain) wrote that the description in Genesis 1 is only taken literally by a fool and a apostate. The working of G-d is incomprehensable, Genesis 1 is merely to provide a moral and Cabalistic model to work with. (Guide to the Perplexed) Any further comments belong in net.religion. michab A Fugue in One Voice