[net.origins] Second Law

ultra@cmcl2.UUCP (11/20/84)

From SOR Pamphlet #2:

>      Some may wonder about the implications of the second law of ther-
> modynamics.   Are  there  not  instances of disorder being transformed
> into order?  For example, a seed growing into a  tree  or  a  pile  of
> bricks  being  built into a house represent examples of an increase in
> order and complexity.  What is happening here?
>      In every instance when  order  increases,  several  prerequisites
> must  be  met.   First,  the  system must be open to available energy.
> Evolution meets this requirement, since it is open to energy from  the
> sun.  That, however, is a necessary but not sufficient condition.  The
> transformation to a higher energy state must be accompanied by an  en-
> ergy  converting  mechanism using a preset plan.  Bricks only become a
> house as an intelligent human discriminantly orders them according  to
> the  blueprints.   The  seed  grows into a tree as it follows the plan
> stored in its genetic code, the DNA.  Evolution, however, depends upon
> chance  chemical reactions and random mutations, and has no plan forc-
> ing its direction upwards towards greater complexity.

Leaving aside the problem of defining `preset plan' in a rigorous way,
please explain why, by your reasoning, the formation of snowflakes doesn't
violate the second law of thermodynamics.

	Isaac Dimitrovsky

rob@osiris.UUCP (Robert St. Amant) (05/16/85)

Someone used the Second Law of Thermodynamics as an argument for creationism.
In a philosophy course I attended here at Hopkins, the idea was presented
that the Second Law isn't a law, but an observation.  Entropy may follow a
jagged sort of curve, increasing sometimes, decreasing other times (on a
_very_ large time scale.)

Any comments from those in the know?  I don't know that much about physics.

				Rob St. Amant

ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) (05/20/85)

> Someone used the Second Law of Thermodynamics as an argument for creationism.
> In a philosophy course I attended here at Hopkins, the idea was presented
> that the Second Law isn't a law, but an observation.  Entropy may follow a
> jagged sort of curve, increasing sometimes, decreasing other times (on a
> _very_ large time scale.)
> 
> Any comments from those in the know?  I don't know that much about physics.
> 
> 				Rob St. Amant
You've got it right.  The second law is a statement about probable states.
If a system has enough time to reach equilibrium then the chances are
overwhelming that it will be in certain states, and not in others.  The
statement that entropy shouldn't decrease is a probabilistic one, not
an absolute statement.  Given enough time a system in equilibrium will
sample *all* accessible states.  Some large number of them will appear
indistinguishable on a macroscopic scale.  This means that the odds will
favor a system occupying this macroscopic state at any one time.  It is
not a guarantee.  A good example is the distribution of air in a room.
There are many many microscopic states which correspond to an even distribution
of air.  There are very few that correspond to "all the air in the upper left
corner of the room".  Therefore, if we check the air in a room we expect
to find it evenly distributed.

"Don't argue with a fool.      Ethan Vishniac
 Borrow his money."            {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan
                               Department of Astronomy
                               University of Texas