hopeful@fluke.UUCP (Rod Blaine Foist) (08/09/85)
'ello to me friends of net.oorigins! Jake O'sHonesty 'ere. Oy've bean loik a mouse the last few months -- quiet, but always 'ere lis'nin. Just thawt Oy'd speak up fer a moment to odd a litt'l spice to this untirin' discussion. 'ere's a quote: To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree. Guess ew said that? Was he/she an Evolutionknight or a Creationknight? Sincerely yer fellow 'knight, Jake O'sHonesty (care of Rod Foist)
bill@utastro.UUCP (William H. Jefferys) (08/11/85)
> 'ello to me friends of net.oorigins! Jake O'sHonesty 'ere. Oy've bean loik a > mouse the last few months -- quiet, but always 'ere lis'nin. Just thawt Oy'd > speak up fer a moment to odd a litt'l spice to this untirin' discussion. > > 'ere's a quote: > > To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances > for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting > different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical > and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural > selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree. > > Guess ew said that? Was he/she an Evolutionknight or a Creationknight? > > > Sincerely yer fellow 'knight, > > Jake O'sHonesty (care of Rod Foist) It's probably by an evolutionist. It's probably quoted out of context. The poster probably won't have the guts to post the reference so we can confirm these conjectures. -- "Men never do evil so cheerfully and so completely as when they do so from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal Bill Jefferys 8-% Astronomy Dept, University of Texas, Austin TX 78712 (USnail) {allegra,ihnp4}!{ut-sally,noao}!utastro!bill (uucp) bill%utastro.UTEXAS@ut-sally.ARPA (ARPANET)
bill@utastro.UUCP (William H. Jefferys) (08/12/85)
By the way, the quote at the end of this article is from Darwin. Lest anyone feel that Darwin felt that the Eye was designed, Darwin also wrote (in a letter to Asa Grey, May 22, 1860): "With respect to the theological view of the question...This is always painful to me. I am bewildered. I had no intention to write atheistically, but I own that I cannot see as plainly as others do, and as I should wish to do, evidence of design and beneficence on all sides of us. There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars, or that a cat would play with mice. Not believing this, I see no necessity in the belief that the eye was exressly designed." So, shall we cut out this crap? Quote follows: > 'ello to me friends of net.oorigins! Jake O'sHonesty 'ere. Oy've bean loik a > mouse the last few months -- quiet, but always 'ere lis'nin. Just thawt Oy'd > speak up fer a moment to odd a litt'l spice to this untirin' discussion. > > 'ere's a quote: > > To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances > for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting > different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical > and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural > selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree. > > Guess ew said that? Was he/she an Evolutionknight or a Creationknight? > > > Sincerely yer fellow 'knight, > > Jake O'sHonesty (care of Rod Foist) -- "Men never do evil so cheerfully and so completely as when they do so from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal Bill Jefferys 8-% Astronomy Dept, University of Texas, Austin TX 78712 (USnail) {allegra,ihnp4}!{ut-sally,noao}!utastro!bill (uucp) bill%utastro.UTEXAS@ut-sally.ARPA (ARPANET)
beth@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Beth Christy) (08/13/85)
From: bill@utastro.UUCP (William H. Jefferys), Message-ID:<530@utastro.UUCP>: >> 'ere's a quote: >> >> To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances >> for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting >> different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical >> and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural >> selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree. >> >> Guess ew said that? Was he/she an Evolutionknight or a Creationknight? >> >> Sincerely yer fellow 'knight, >> >> Jake O'sHonesty (care of Rod Foist) > >It's probably by an evolutionist. >It's probably quoted out of context. >The poster probably won't have the guts to post the reference so >we can confirm these conjectures. >-- > Bill Jefferys 8-% Getting a bit testy here, aren't we? I do believe Sir O'sHonesty *got* it from a posting to this newsgroup. I distinctly recall reading this quote here - and it was attributed to Darwin. I don't recall the exact refernence, however. Jeez, you people are so *serious*. -- --JB (Beth Christy, U. of Chicago, ..!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!beth) "Oh yeah, P.S., I, I feel, feel like, I am in a burning building And I gotta go." (Laurie Anderson)
carnes@gargoyle.UUCP (Richard Carnes) (08/13/85)
[Funding for this article was provided by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the Chubb Group of insurance companies.] >> 'ere's a quote: >> >> To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances >> for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting >> different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical >> and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural >> selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree. >> >> Guess ew said that? Was he/she an Evolutionknight or a Creationknight? I found it! It's in a little-known work by a 19th-century English biologist, Charles Darwin, called *On the Origin of Species*. Although from the quotation above he was obviously not an evolutionist, a lot of what Darwin says (to judge from skimming through the book) is strikingly similar to some of what the evolutionists in net.origins have been saying. Quite remarkable, given the early date of publication (1859). Does anyone have any more info about this guy? Jake me boy, be a fine lad and send me my prize if I was the first to submit a correct answer. Richard Carnes, ihnp4!gargoyle!carnes
bill@utastro.UUCP (William H. Jefferys) (08/14/85)
> >The poster probably won't have the guts to post the reference so > >we can confirm these conjectures. > >-- > > Bill Jefferys 8-% > > Getting a bit testy here, aren't we? > > Jeez, you people are so *serious*. Guilty as charged. This article just put me in a bad mood. I apologize to one and all. -- "Men never do evil so cheerfully and so completely as when they do so from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal Bill Jefferys 8-% Astronomy Dept, University of Texas, Austin TX 78712 (USnail) {allegra,ihnp4}!{ut-sally,noao}!utastro!bill (uucp) bill%utastro.UTEXAS@ut-sally.ARPA (ARPANET)
hopeful@fluke.UUCP (Jake O'sHonesty) (08/16/85)
> 'ere's a quote: > > To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances > for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting > different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical > and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural > selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree. > Ew said that? It was Charles Darwin, as quoted in _What Darwin Really Said_, pp. 48,49 (by Benjamin Farrington, New York: Schocken Books, 1982). Jake O'sHonesty
bill@utastro.UUCP (William H. Jefferys) (08/20/85)
> > > > 'ere's a quote: > > > > To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances > > for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting > > different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical > > and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural > > selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree. > > > > Ew said that? It was Charles Darwin, as quoted in _What Darwin Really Said_, > pp. 48,49 (by Benjamin Farrington, New York: Schocken Books, 1982). > > > Jake O'sHonesty If that's the complete quote as given in *What Darwin Really Said*, then I would consider it a pretty unreliable source of what Darwin really thought. -- "Men never do evil so cheerfully and so completely as when they do so from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal Bill Jefferys 8-% Astronomy Dept, University of Texas, Austin TX 78712 (USnail) {allegra,ihnp4}!{ut-sally,noao}!utastro!bill (uucp) bill%utastro.UTEXAS@ut-sally.ARPA (ARPANET)