[net.origins] Another shot at creationism.

peter@baylor.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (08/16/85)

What does creationism say (er, I mean what do creationists say: creationism
doesn't "say" anythings since it hasn't a mouth) about life on other planets?
Mars, for example?
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charli@cylixd.UUCP (Charli Phillips) (08/23/85)

>What does creationism say (er, I mean what do creationists say: creationism
>doesn't "say" anythings since it hasn't a mouth) about life on other planets?
>Mars, for example?
>-- 
>	Peter da Silva (the mad Australian werewolf)


I suspect most creationists would say that, if there is life on
other planets, it was created there in the same manner that it was
here.

What do evolutionists say about life on other planets?  (If it
evolved there, it evolved in the same manner that it did here.)

		Charli

jho@ihu1m.UUCP (Yosi Hoshen) (08/24/85)

> I suspect most creationists would say that, if there is life on
> other planets, it was created there in the same manner that it was
> here.
> 
> What do evolutionists say about life on other planets?  (If it
> evolved there, it evolved in the same manner that it did here.)
> 
> 		Charli

If life, which is identical to the life found on earth, would be found
in another planet, it would destroy the foundation of evolution theory
and possibly all of science.  Since the universe is finite, the probability 
of forming identical life elsewhere can be taken to be zero or very
close to it.  When dealing with the probability of formation of life,
we have to distinguish between the probability of the formation of life
and the probability of the formation of a specific life (most creationists
do not seem to understand or ignore this distinction).  It is quite
clear that the formation of a specific life forms is very small.
On the other hand, the formation of any life forms may not be a rare
event given the age and the size of the universe.  In this context,
the formation of specific life forms is viewed as one of many possible
outcomes.
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jho@ihu1m.UUCP (Yosi Hoshen) (08/24/85)

In a previous posting, I stated:
> If life, which is identical to the life found on earth, would be found
> in another planet, it would destroy the foundation of evolution theory
> and possibly of all of science. 

Even if evolution would be proved to wrong, this would not prove that
creationism is right.  It would still be necessary to demonstrate
that creationism or any other theory can acount for the observation.
What we could say is that we don't know.
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Yosi Hoshen, AT&T Bell Laboratories
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charli@cylixd.UUCP (Charli Phillips) (08/26/85)

>> me
>  Yosi Hoshen

>> I suspect most creationists would say that, if there is life on
>> other planets, it was created there in the same manner that it was
>> here.
>> 
>> What do evolutionists say about life on other planets?  (If it
>> evolved there, it evolved in the same manner that it did here.)
>> 
>
>If life, which is identical to the life found on earth, would be found
>in another planet, it would destroy the foundation of evolution theory
>and possibly all of science.  Since the universe is finite, the probability 
>of forming identical life elsewhere can be taken to be zero or very
>close to it.  

Granted.  I did not understand that the original poster meant
life identical to that found on earth.  I was presuming that he meant
"life in any form."  

		charli

tynor@gitpyr.UUCP (Steve Tynor) (08/27/85)

>> I suspect most creationists would say that, if there is life on
>> other planets, it was created there in the same manner that it was
>> here.
>> 
>> What do evolutionists say about life on other planets?  (If it
>> evolved there, it evolved in the same manner that it did here.)
>> 
>
>If life, which is identical to the life found on earth, would be found
>in another planet, it would destroy the foundation of evolution theory
>and possibly all of science.  Since the universe is finite, the probability 
>of forming identical life elsewhere can be taken to be zero or very
>close to it.  

Read it again...  He said evolved in a similar manner, not evolved into 
identical species.  We're talking about method here.  Certainly there would be
different forces of natural selection at work...

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