bill@utastro.UUCP (William H. Jefferys) (10/15/85)
> > > Mr. Barry forgot to add that creationism is *NOT* information. It's not even > > science. It's an unprovable idea. > > > > Chris Young. > > Black holes up there or down there in outer space cannot absolutely be proven. > But no one denies the right to teach about the possibilities of the existence > of black holes. It is also not clear that the existence of black holes can > ever be proven. What we do see is the effect of not the direct observance > of what might be black holes. To draw parallels, what we observe in nature > is not necessarily God, but the effect God has had on nature, namely, creation- > ism. > > I rest my case. > > p.s. Don't shoot this example down, there are a million more where this one > came from. Science churns them out in unlimited quantities. I WILL shoot this example down, as well as all the other million examples you have in mind. NOTHING in science can ever be definitely proven. If you don't understand this, you don't understand science. On the other hand, if an idea can't be shot down in principle, it's not science. The existence of black holes, just as evolution, the ancient age of the earth, and all the other assertions of science that Creationists object to, could in principle be shot down scientifically, given the appropriate evidence. The proof that Creationists agree that this is true is the fact that they keep writing books and arguing in debates that they have disproven these ideas. NOTHING could in principle ever disprove your assertion that "what we observe in nature is...the effect God has had on nature, namely, creationism". This assertion is tautologous (God is BY DEFINITION the omnipotent creator), therefore cannot be disproved. It is the clear and obvious demonstration that Creationism is not science. I object to teaching of Creationism in the public schools because it is not science, but pretends to be science. It's pseudoscience. Can't we move this discussion to net.origins, where it belongs? -- Glend. I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hot. Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? -- Henry IV Pt. I, III, i, 53 Bill Jefferys 8-% Astronomy Dept, University of Texas, Austin TX 78712 (USnail) {allegra,ihnp4}!{ut-sally,noao}!utastro!bill (UUCP) bill@astro.UTEXAS.EDU. (Internet)