[net.origins] So what?

ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) (10/17/85)

> I am spouting CATASTROPHISM, the only theory of origins which makes sense..
> Ted Holden

    Big deal. The scientific community quakes (..yawn..) at such blasphemy.

    `Catastrophism' has already been incorporated into evolution, Ted. And 
    science has already learned whatever lessons Velikovsky had to offer.
    
    As a minimum, evolutionary science gained the wisdom that little good
    follows from the folly of suppressing heresy, which only creates
    martyrs.  The scientific community at first unfairly pressured
    publishers not to print his ideas -- and when they finally were
    published, many famous authorities who did not bother to read his ideas
    signed overstated denouncements that later caused much embarrassment.

    Velikovsky, whether by luck or cunning, owes his notoriety to the rigidly
    dogmatic nature of evolutionary theory up to his time. Mutation was
    supposed to be the only way species changed; gradual change was supposed
    to be the only acceptable kind of explanation. And to hell with anyone
    whose ideas even sound remotely Lamarckian!!

    Much of this was partly the result of the religious reductionistic 
    constraints required for biology to command proper scientific respect.

    Ted Holden is strongly advised to examine recent advances in
    evolutionary theories. Perhaps Velikovsky was right about the planet's
    primeval memory being traumatized by interplanetary collisions. But
    science has now accepted the likelihood of `traumatic' collisions --
    as a family (probably periodic with a cycle of millions of years) of
    comets that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs as well as a huge
    number of other forms of life. Likewise, prehistoric stories of floods
    are arguably the result of the documented advance and retreat of the ice
    caps.
    
    Evolutionary theory has advanced far beyond where the level of knowledge
    which Velikovsky confronted. New facts from cosmology, genetics,
    geology, etc.. progressively confirm the truth of evolution.
    Furthermore, evolutionary has stolen Velikovsky's thunder by its
    conclusion that catastrophes (scientific ones) have, in fact, played a
    major role in creation.
     
    In the meantime, it appears that few, if any, real advances have been
    made in the verification of Velikovsky's speculations. 
    
    Ted, if you really think his theory has validity, you would do well to
    read some of the excellent and accessible popular books written by
    Gould, who has incorporated some `catastrophic' notions into the
    scientific theory (eg - punctuated equilibrium). 
    
    Perhaps you will even be able to update Velikovsky's ideas in light of
    the enormous amount of new evidence. Until then, your quixotic attacks
    against the obsolete ghost of a decades-old evolutionary theory are as
    limp-wristed as attacks against geocentrism..

-michael

-ps.. Lamarckian evolution may be on the verge of respectability. Recent
      genetic discoveries, described by John Campbell in "Evolution at
      the Crossroads" (1985), indicate that DNA molecules, rather than
      being EITHER faithfully copies of the original OR broken mutants,
      actually undergo considerable planned self-modification according
      to the environment; furthermore, certain genetic structures reveal
      a remarkable new type of biological function -- to promote and
      direct the course of evolution, as a means for the descendents
      of a species to survive in the face of an evolving environment.