[net.origins] old-earth creationism

ellis@spar.UUCP (04/24/86)

>> I fail to see how creationist admissions of lack of evidence (and some
>> outright fraud) YEARS after scientists pointed it out shows how
>> "evolutionists" should be more "open minded". - Mike Huybensz
>> 
>The stubborness displayed by the young-earth creationists for so many
>years regarding the Plauxy River tracks is not so different from the
>attitude displayed by some who regard evolutionary theory as having
>attained the status of scientific law. The point, Mike, was that a
>little tolerance can be displayed on both sides. I think such tolerance
>is visible in groups such as the American Scientific Affiliation and
>others. It's not just a simple matter of tolerance but of letting the
>evidence speak for itself without extrapolations to religion or the
>purpose of life, etc. - Dan Diaz

    As an old-earth creationist, I agree that both sides are typically
    characterized by excessive devotion to dogma and irrational exclusion of
    likely alternate hypotheses (although I'd also like to commend certain
    contributors here on both sides of the issue, regardless of our
    differences in opinion, for their extraordinary patience and otherwise
    intelligent approach -- notably Mike Huybensz and Paul DuBois).

    The problems with Creation Science are obvious enough. Competition with
    a rival business corporation or religious sect is one thing.
    Competition against monolithic science itself, however, is hopeless.
    There is no room in our universities for competing biology departmentS,
    for instance. Nor do young minds have any choice but to study science in
    public schools. (I'm not complaining, mind you -- I'm just stating
    fact). Consequently, Creation Science attracts basically the fringe
    elements.
    
    It's bad enough that Creation Scientists are so frightfully unaware of
    major improvements to evolutionary theory in the past century. What is
    inexcusable is the total ineptitude of their application of well
    established scientific knowledge:

	Professor Henry Morris has shown that the theory of evolution
	contradicts the universally accepted laws of thermodynamics.  The
	second law of thermodynamics states that all things left to
	themselves always tend to go from the complex to the simple, from
	the organized to the disorganized. Evolution would require just the
	opposite. - Duane Gish, Ph.D. (Have You Been Brainwashed?)

    Really? 
    
    For another example, here is a branch of the evolutionary tree from the
    same publication (replacing pictures with ASCII characters):

                               bird
                                |
                pteradactyl     |      gorilla     human
                     |          |         |          |
                     -----------|---------------------
                                |
                 tyranosaur     |
                     |          |------------------horse
             turtle--+----------|
                                |----- frog
                 ichthysaur     |
                     |        fish
                     -----------|

    This is typical of the scientific understanding displayed in the work
    of every Creation Scientist I have encountered (modulo Paul Dubois'
    excellent contributions to this group). 

    On the other hand, evolutionary theory  tends to be characterized by
    doctinaire feuds that all too often combine aspects of Orwell's 1984 and
    medieval scholasticism. Perhaps this is because many evolutionists are
    refugees from strict fundamentalist backgrounds -- I don't know.

    For instance, recall the religious fervor with which the Lamarckian
    heresy was stamped out. Yet recent discoveries concerning recombinant
    DNA indicate that Lamarckian evolution exists:

	Echols (1981), a prominent molecular geneticist, has coined the term
	*inducible evolution* for SOS-activated mutation and recombination
	in E Coli and has called attention to its counterparts in higher
	organisms. Sensory systems to convey information to genes abound in
	higher organisms, and some are known to control evolution..  
	-J Campbell (Evolution at a Crossroads, MIT Press, 1985)

    It used to be asserted, with equal fervor, that evolution was gradual;
    recall the noise with which Gouldian "Punctuated Equilibria" were first
    greeted? Today, in a recent issue of "Science", I read that Darwinian
    theory REALLY predicted the abruptness of PE all along. 
    
    What of all those huge gaps in the fossil record the Creation Scientists
    keep talking about? 100 years ago, Darwin was entirely justified in his
    hope that these gaps would be filled. After a century of intense effort,
    gaps among known orders, classes, phyla remain systematic and almost
    always enormous. Mentioning this embarrassing fact to evolutionists
    evokes emotional pledges of allegiance to the Cause, or defensive shouts
    of "Creationist!", rather than any reasonable speculative hypothesis.
    I'm satisified with the intermediate forms for humans; what bothers me
    are the cetaceans, the first land animals, the vertebrates, etc..  I
    seriously doubt that even PE-amended evolutionary theory can explain
    these mysteries.
    
    On my account, the close-mindedness to `heretical' questions and
    alternate methodologies and metaphysical approaches rampant among many
    evolutionists is harmful to the cause of open scientific investigation.

    Evolutionary theory IS scientific fact, as much a fact as any scientific
    theory around. Consequently, it will be amended according to future
    discoveries, not just in its details, but in its basic epistemological
    assumptions. I believe that the randomness and anti-teleological bias
    typically asserted as absolute unquestionable fact will become
    the next casualties:

       There have been a variety of proposals for goal-oriented evloution,
       but they had to be vitalistic because biology was too poorly
       understood to suggest explicit mechanisms. Therefore they were
       dismissed as unscientific. Today it has become possible to identify
       specific genetic and physiological structures that could allow a
       species to evolve projectively, and to look for evolution that such
       structures might have directed. -J Campbell (ibid)

-michael