[net.abortion] Whether the Fetus is Human

jack@rlgvax.UUCP (Jack Waugh) (03/09/84)

I'm pretty sure it's S. I. Hiakawa's book (I'm not sure if  I
have  his  name  spelled  right  --  the Senator from Hawaii)
*Language in Thought and Action* that gives  the  example  of
the  squirrel.  The question is: if a man walks around a tree
and a squirrel climbs around the trunk of the  tree,  keeping
always  on  the  side  opposite  the  man, has the man walked
around the squirrel?

Some people will argue vehemently that  the  answer  is  yes,
others that it is no.  Both camps will think they are arguing
about a squirrel, a tree, and a man.

In fact, all they are arguing about is what  "around"  means,
which  has  no  importance  at all.  In fact, I would say not
only no importance, but no meaning.

This is how I see the question, posed in this forum by  anti-
abortion  arguers,  of  whether  the fetus is human.  You can
call it (or her, if you please) human or not, but so what?  I
believe in taking its life if that's what the mother chooses.
You seem to hold human life sacred.  I beleive, rather,  that
the  correct  action  is  that that leads to the greater Good
(which is to say, less Evil).  In most of the  possible  sets
of  circumstances,  different  people  will disagree on which
route is correct on even that basis, because different people
will  place  different valuations on the evils and advantages
of the alternatives.

pmd@cbscc.UUCP (Paul Dubuc) (03/13/84)

from Jack Waugh
>This is how I see the question, posed in this forum by  anti-
>abortion  arguers,  of  whether  the fetus is human.  You can
>call it (or her, if you please) human or not, but so what?  I
>believe in taking its life if that's what the mother chooses.
>You seem to hold human life sacred.  I beleive, rather,  that
>the  correct  action  is  that that leads to the greater Good
>(which is to say, less Evil).  In most of the  possible  sets
>of  circumstances,  different  people  will disagree on which
>route is correct on even that basis, because different people
>will  place  different valuations on the evils and advantages
>of the alternatives.

So what is this really saying as far as who can be killed and who
can't?  From whose perspective is the choice involving the "lesser
evil" to be determined?

You seem to be saying that one person may decide whether or not
to kill something, and it doesn't matter whether or not that something
is a human being.  Can this ethic be applied consistently?  Is the
mother also justified in killing her 1 year old if, from her perspective,
it seems to involve a lesser evil than any alternatives?

I think that proscription of killing must be rooted in the *identity*
of the victim (i.e. human being), not in someone else's judgment of
whether or not the victim should live.  What is to prevent such
subjective judgement from being applied in an arbitrary manner?
When would we be justified in interfering in a person's attempts to
kill another?  (usurping their judgement as to what is the "lesser evil").

The question of whether or not the fetus is a human is not irrelevant to
whether or not the mother has the right to kill it.  If it is, then whether
or not you or I are humans is also irrelevant to one who may wish to
kill us.

Paul Dubuc