[net.abortion] observation on the bees problem

owens@gatech.UUCP (Gerald R. Owens) (04/10/84)

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The kind of ethics that would be developed in emergencies would
be called lifeboat ethics.  They'd apply only to the situation, and
probably would be abandoned after it terminated.  Emergencies of a
life threatening nature are usually unforseen, and there would be hell to
pay if it WAS forseen and no actions were taken to avert or prepare for
it.  Therefore, I doubt that pregnancy would constitute a "life threatening"
situation that was unforseen in the general case (this is not to exclude
the times when it does become a physical danger to the mother, in which
case the principle of self defense comes into play.).

But now to the bee problem.  I find it interesting that there is some
antitoxin, but not enough.  This is usually the case in a "set up" situation
like this.  But why should there be any??  If nobody knows that your
friends are allergic, then why bring any??  And if somebody knew enough
to bring some along, then they ought to know the adequate dose and tell if
there's enough for two or only for one.  I.e. SOMEBODY had to have the
brains to bring some along.  So Who??  There are two groups to consider,
the two who are allergic and those who aren't.  Suppose one knew he
was allergic and brought an adequate dose, while the other didn't, either
because he didn't know he was allergic or decided it wouldn't happen.
Therefore, the antitoxin should be given to the one who had the foresight
to bring it (unless he states otherwise.  it IS his antitoxin.).  The other
guy took his chances and lost.  Sure, it's too bad, but why should the
one with forsight be sacrificed for the ignorant or stupid in a case
like this??  (if both knew and both brought antitoxin, then the
problem doesn't exist.  If neither knew, then who DID know to
bring the antitoxin???)

Now, suppose it was someone who wasn't allergic.  He knew someone
was allergic, and had incentive to bring the stuff for them.  A loved
one perhaps??  Probably a child.  He obviously didn't know about the
other one, otherwise he'd have brought enough for both (anyone who
knows enough about bee stings to bring antitoxin would be concerned
enough to bring enough for all the ones THAT HE KNEW OF).  Therefore,
the antitoxin is HIS, and he has the decision to give it.  I would
suggest he give it to the one HE valued the most, since it was brought
for that purpose.  In cases like this, I would personally go with
the party displaying more preparation for the emergency.  There is, of
course, the case where the antitoxin is part of a general medical kit
that is brought along to take care of any emergency, but then that
showed that SOMEBODY had foresight, so there ought not to be any
faulting the guy's decision (laura would leave the decision to him, while
there are some philosophies that would INSIST that he give it to
the party he valued the LEAST, and would condemn him if he did otherwise.)

In "set up" situations like this, the usual recourse is now to twiddle
with the parameters a bit, make it more specific and supposedly more
difficult to answer.  However, the more a set of ethics is tuned to
one particular case, the less general it becomes to serve for emergencies
in general, and normal life in particular.

Although I am of the same general ethical group that laura is, I do
not hold life as a supreme value, but mind, rationality, and intelligence.
The value of life in supporting the mind then follows naturally.
Since this is net.abortion, I will apply my ethics and say that, at
the moment, abortion is ok if the fetus has not started to display
brainwaves, but immoral afterwards.  (I don't attach all that much
value to the physical body per se, since most religions have God
giving the saved a new body.  Giving a person a new mind, rationality,
and intelligence is almost creating a different person entirely, so the
original person isn't really saved.  Thus, mind is more important than
the physical container of it, if the two can be separated).

For all replies and responses, please keep in mind that the context
of my EXPLANATION is an emergency.  How I'd apply my ethics to normal
life, when there are no life or death decisions to be made would involve
the addition of extra information that is excluded from an emergency
but which comes into play during normal life.  Thus, questions like:
"would you murder a person with an IQ of 90 since yours is over 110?"
or "would you value a person with an IQ of 90 over one with an IQ of
110?" would either involve laws (i wouldn't murder), or contexts (dating?
hiring?) that would add extra information for consideration.  In making
moral decisions, one needs as MUCH information as possible, not the
LEAST amount.
				Gerald Owens
				Owens@gatech

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kadie@uiucdcs.UUCP (04/15/84)

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