woof@hpfcla.UUCP (woof) (09/16/84)
> So if I pitch a tent, without permission, on someone else's property, I > have the right to squat there until I decide I don't need to use the > land anymore. Got a back yard, hawk? The fetus is within the woman; > it is allocating her resources. The woman's property rights take > precedence. The tent allegory is incomplete. The tent (fetus) has been pitched *with* permission. Remember, there had to be intercourse between consenting people in order for the fetus to get there... Steve Wolf [hplabs, ihnp4]!hpfcla!woof
kjm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ken Montgomery) (09/28/84)
>The tent allegory is incomplete. The tent (fetus) has been pitched *with* >permission. Remember, there had to be intercourse between consenting >people in order for the fetus to get there... > > Steve Wolf It is possible to have intercourse and at the same time deliberately attempt to prevent conception; in fact these attempts (when the methods are used correctly) work most of the time. Thus it is fallacious to argue that consent to intercourse is necessarily consent to pregnancy, because the second is not a necessary result of the first. The very existence and use of contraception indicates that people consent to intercourse *without* consenting to pregnancy. -- "Shredder-of-hapless-smurfs" Ken Montgomery ...!{ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!ut-ngp!kjm [Usenet, when working] kjm@ut-ngp.ARPA [for Arpanauts only]
saquigley@watmath.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) (10/19/84)
>> So if I pitch a tent, without permission, on someone else's property, I >> have the right to squat there until I decide I don't need to use the >> land anymore. Got a back yard, hawk? The fetus is within the woman; >> it is allocating her resources. The woman's property rights take >> precedence. > >The tent allegory is incomplete. The tent (fetus) has been pitched *with* >permission. Remember, there had to be intercourse between consenting >people in order for the fetus to get there... > > Steve Wolf > [hplabs, ihnp4]!hpfcla!woof > During intercourse, the only permission a woman is giving to anybody is to the man to have his penis inside her (if you want to look at it in terms of "giving permissions"). Unless the woman specifies so, this permission does not extend to anybody else to do anything with her body. The above argument is a stupid as saying that it is ok to rape a non-virgin woman since she has given permission to one man to enter her body. A fetus is a THIRD party, it is not the same as its father. Sophie Quigley ...!{clyde,ihnp4,decvax}!watmath!saquigley