twiss@stolaf.UUCP (Thomas S. Twiss) (10/11/84)
>Porsche turbos are legal in the U.S. under some circumstances. So long >as that is true, why should there be discrimination against poor people? >That's what a cutoff of funding for Porsche turbos does. It says if >you can afford to pay for it, OK; otherwise, no way. That's hypocritical >and wrong. > >like, hey, where's my Porsche turbo??? > >also substitute "several acres of waterfront property", or >"a controlling interest in a major corporation", or whatever >high-ticket item turns you on. > >Disclaimer: the idea presented above is not original. > >Question: what the <bleep> is this doing in net.women? >-- > _____ "Money. It's a gas. Just keep your hands > /_____\ off of *my* stack!" - Pink Floyd > /_______\ > |___| Snoopy > ____|___|_____ ihnp4!ihuxl!seifert You have got to be kidding me! Please say you are joking and that you really aren't this obtuse! Can you honestly equate Porsches and abortions on the same need level? Are you out of your mind!!???!? Not giving someone a Porsche isn't even REMOTELY analogous to giving aid for abortions. What about health care? Would you say that only the rich are entitled to that? "Well, the poor little bastard couldn't pay for the operation, so we let him die." Good thinking. Your several corrolary examples are as equally ridiculous. You cite only items of luxury, not necessity. Abortions are a matter of need. Just how important you view that need, or how right it is, or how you apply it to various situations, I'll let you decide - but you can't tell me that having an abortion is a luxury! Get serious!! "Well, you know Mom, since I was raped I really would like to get an abortion 'cause, you know, it might be kind of difficult to have the kid since I'm only 15." "I'm sorry, daughter, but that's just a luxury your father and I can't afford. We have bills to pay you know..." Do I make my point? I hope, Snoopy, that you were just being sarcastic and that you aren't really trying to convince people of this position. It is extremely selfish and uncaring. But if you are joking, I apologize for not seeing it. Otherwise, I bite my thumb at you, sir! -- Tom Twiss @ St. Olaf College {decvax|ihnp4}!stolaf!twiss There is no reality. Really, I'm not kidding.
brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) (10/11/84)
Sure there's a difference between an abortion and a nice Porsche. But the point was that you defended public funding by saying that to not do so was to "discriminate against the poor." I don't know where you've been, but that's the way society works, and it's necessary. If you want a society where they don't discriminate amongst people acording to their ability to do productive work, go move to Albania or start your own starving country. Now I will admit abortion is a strange issue because there are a fair number of people (wrong though they may be in my opinion) who think it's murder. And you want to force them to pay for it! All people who believe in paying for poor people's abortions should set up a company that runs abortion clinics for the poor. You can pay for it, perhaps I will too, but don't FORCE the "pro-lifers" to pay just because they are misguided on a moral issue. -- Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. - Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473
z@rocksvax.UUCP (Jim Ziobro) (10/13/84)
Tom Twiss,
I think you ought to count yourself among the insensitive of the
highest order! You pride yourself on championing the cause of the "poor
people" who need abortions. Consider the fetus' case: absolutely penniless,
completely disorganized as a group, and physically and mentally handicapped;
thus unable to form a political PAC to pass laws to protect themselves.
I'd like to include a little smiling face except I don't think it's funny.
--
//Z\\
James M. Ziobro
Ziobro.Henr@Xerox.ARPA
{rochester,amd,sunybcs,allegra}!rocksvax!zwoof@hpfcla.UUCP (woof) (10/15/84)
> "Well, you > know Mom, since I was raped I really would like to get an abortion > 'cause, you know, it might be kind of difficult to have the kid since > I'm only 15." I keep seeing this what-if-you're-raped arguement here. What percentage of abortions are due to rape? I doubt that the number is very large. Statistics, anyone? Steve Wolf [ihnp4,hplabs]!hpfcla!woof
daf@ccice6.UUCP (David Alan Fader) (10/26/84)
> Tom Twiss, > I think you ought to count yourself among the insensitive of the > highest order! You pride yourself on championing the cause of the "poor > people" who need abortions. Consider the fetus' case: absolutely penniless, > completely disorganized as a group, and physically and mentally handicapped; > thus unable to form a political PAC to pass laws to protect themselves. > I'd like to include a little smiling face except I don't think it's funny. > -- > //Z\\ > James M. Ziobro > Ziobro.Henr@Xerox.ARPA > {rochester,amd,sunybcs,allegra}!rocksvax!z Although they can not form political political action committees, we were wondering if they could form political action committees instead. o o ^ \______/ Gee whiz, you were right it's not funny. TRUTH