[net.abortion] Reply to Mikki Barry's comments

mn@dscvax2.UUCP (Matt Noah) (03/09/85)

Please do not be misled by the fallacy that abortion clinics are concerned
about a woman's emotional trauma.  The clinicians are concerned in part
about the woman's physical reaction to the abortion - mainly out of fear of
lawsuit.  Since I have never heard of an abortion clinic being sued for
emotional traumatization - even though an abortion is terribly traumatic -
you and I can surmise they are not concerned about a woman's mental health.
It is doubtful a court of law would give credence to the lawsuit anyway
since it was obviously the choice of the woman.  Where to turn to for 
emotional help???  One idea is to seek religous counseling.  As adoption
is an excellent alternative to abortion, contact an adoption agency.  It
is without much doubt that a an expactant woman who wants to give up her
child will be met with open arms as there are waiting lines for babies 
[ unfortunately this is not true for babies of black mothers ].

Picketing is now established as a resounding success in the pro-life
movement and has resulted in the diminished activity of many abortion
clinics.  Pro-choicers are hostile to picketing because it is so
successful and so American.  Picketing has also made the pro-life
movement resemble civil rights movements of past decades.

Pro-life groups will probably never work with abortion clinics in discussing
alternatives since pro-life groups do not consider abortion as an
alternative.   

Pickled fetuses are a reality and a scare tactic and are exactly the type
of thing needed to educate people.  Some people still think a fetus is a
blob of protoplasm when in reality a 10-week-old fetus is fully
distinguishable as a human being.  Also, consider the fact that abortion is
legal on a 39-week-old fetus!  Many babies do not spend that much time in the
womb.  If a mother's abdominal wall were transparent the abortion rate would
probably be orders of magnitude lower than what it is today.

Although woman today have a choice, the vast majority do not make an
informed choice.  Evidence this by the latest Gallup Poll Survey which
show that many women believe that the pill ... Read it for yourself to
find out how ignorant the people making the choices are.  The situation 
is no different than people's idea of the economy.  People who constantly
complain about the terrible state of the economy don't even know the concept
behind the GNP or the Dow, what an acceptable unemployment rate is or what
the current inflation rate.  The vast majority of people don't even know
their vital signs - what they are and what an acceptable measure of them is!
America is a land of choices - freedom - but when one person's choice 
infringes on the rights of another it is time to make a change.  Abortion
on demand is usually an uninformed choice which infringes upon the rights
of an unborn baby.

Matt Noah	

barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry) (03/16/85)

It is the kind of hysteria such as yours that makes it impossible for any
compromise in the abortion issue.

I HAVE had friend go to abortion clinics, and I HAVE gone with them.  I will
tell you that the clinics I have been to are VERY concerned with the woman
involved.  They ask her over and over again if she is sure she wants the
abortion, and if she would like to be referred to a mental health pro
if she wants to clarify her own choice to herself.  Most clinics also
offer many gynecological services besides abortion, so believe me, they
don't live on abortion money.  They don't need to talk anyone into abortions
because the vast majority of women who go there are prefectly aware of their
choice.  It sickens me that some think that women are people who have to
be protected because they can't make their own choices and are so easily
persuaded to do something they consider horrible by unscupulous people who just
want money.  Women are perfectly intellegent enough to make their own
decisions.  They dont need help from you.

As for picketing clinics with pickled fetuses, I have SEEN a 12 week 
miscarriage.  It was approximately 1 and a half inches long, and NOT EVEN
CLOSE to fully formed.  By picketing a clinic in NH, pro-lifers harrassed
women who were deciding whether to participate in an FDA experimental
program with cervical caps as contracteption.  They defeated their own purpose
of stopping unwanted pregnancies.  (Or is it only the aftermath that they are
concerned with?)  When a woman who has decided that an abortion is the best
thing for her (and sometimes for the fetus as well), does she need to have
farcical pictures shoved in her face and be called a murderer?  She is already
traumatized enough.  What if the same woman was approached by someone offering
a realistic alternative.  What if she was told of a free program whereby she
would be taken care of, and receive adoption help, or help taking care of the
baby?  Wouldn't that be more productive than the lies being pushed in her
face now? 

PLEASE, for the sake of all women, stop the hysterical reaction to abortion
and work on something to benefit everyone - prevention of unwanted pregnancy?
Stop spending money on picketing, farcical films, and insulting women's
intellegence and put it into group homes, financial aid for pregnant women
and birth control information.  Isn't that better than raising everyone's
blood pressure?

Mikki Barry