brf@link.UUCP (Bruce Fowler) (04/01/85)
[For resubmission to net.gimme.a.break:] > One more thing, I have the distinct felling that > some of the guys on this net who are such rabid > defenders of abortion, are doing so to impress > some woman. How are ya doin fellas? Didja get > her in bed yet? Your sick, you know. - T. C. Wheeler Good grief! I bet this one hangs around outside women's restrooms, getting off on the sound of the toilets flushing. And he's deciding who's sick?? Bruce Fowler ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v "The Twilight Zone - Love it or Leave it..."
mag@whuxlm.UUCP (Gray Michael A) (04/01/85)
> [For resubmission to net.gimme.a.break:] > > > One more thing, I have the distinct felling that > > some of the guys on this net who are such rabid > > defenders of abortion, are doing so to impress > > some woman. How are ya doin fellas? Didja get > > her in bed yet? Your sick, you know. - T. C. Wheeler > > Good grief! I bet this one hangs around outside women's > restrooms, getting off on the sound of the toilets flushing. > And he's deciding who's sick?? > > Bruce Fowler > ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > "The Twilight Zone - Love it or Leave it..." Well, most of the women I know are impressed by cogent pro-choice arguments. However, I think it rather insulting and patronizing of women to suggest that they will sleep with men because they are pro-choice. That would be like suggesting that the motive of the pro-lifers is hatred of women and a desire to make them suffer. Nobody thinks that, do they? Mike Gray, BTL, WH
wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (04/01/85)
I feel that Fowler and Gray have a lot to learn about human nature, especially men. There are plenty of men who will "go along with the program" just to gain something even though they do not believe in the program. The abortion issue is no different. As for the convenience issue, I stick to my guns. I don't include the ignorant teenager in this argument, that's another issue. I address this argument to the well educated woman and man who, steeped in their own selfishness and hedonistic lifestyle, and because they lack self-control and any modicum of responsibility, opt for an abortion just so they can continue. Don't say they do not exist, because they do and have been vocal here on this network over the past two years. I've heard the stories, "Well, I just want to get my degree first." "I want to do some travelling." What they are saying is that no-matter what, their convenience comes first. Perhaps they should be weeded out of society and force fed a large dose of Biology. There was a time, before abortions became so commonplace, when people took responsibility for their actions. So they wanted to finish their degree, fine, they took the necessary precautions, learned how their bodies worked, and still enjoyed the good life. They did not opt for the easiest way out. If mistakes were made, they accepted their responsibility. With today's abortion clinic just down the block, there is no need to accept any responsibility, just get the little bugger salted and life can go on as usual. These are not uneducated people. These are not people who think that douching with a coke will prevent pregnancies. I have the distinct impression that these people think that morality, any morality, is a dirty word. Their own convenience is the only watchword they understand. To hell with everyone and everything else. This is an attitude that offends me and if you cannot accept that I am offended then it is your problem. If you get upset that the issue of convenience is being discussed, then I must assume that you adhere to its tenents. I don't expect to change your attitude one whit, but maybe, just maybe, you might examine your own feelings for about 10 ms and see something that could stand some evaluation. I make no judgements concerning the myriad of other abortion issues as I am still evaluating the data in my mind. The only issue I feel strong about is abortion for the convenience of the participants. I abhor the bombings, I think Falwell's stance is assinine, I support birth control education. On the other hand, I support the strengthening of moral issues, especially in the home. Perhaps morality is to strong a word, what I really mean is the strengthening of character and the instilling of responsibility at home. If this is wrong to some of you, then I feel sorry for you and there is no need to go any further. Just remember, it was convenient for the nazis to eliminate the lame and infirm, it was convenient for them to force abortions, it was convenient for Stalin to eliminate millons of Ukranians, it is convenient for the Chinese to force abortions, it is convenient, perhaps? to euthanise our poor ethnic populations? Where does convenience end? Could this scenario be too far off --"I want to finish my degree, but my mother, who is in a nursing home, takes too much of my cash reserves. Besides, she is senile and won't care, let's just have her euthanized. After all, it would be more convenient." T. C. Wheeler