[net.abortion] $$$ - logical, eh?

mn@dscvax2.UUCP (Matt Noah) (03/21/85)

>It seems that Matt Noah thinks that us pro-choicers are motivated by
>money:
>>   We don't make any $$ doing it, either.
>> 
>> You are naive to think that pro-lifers will
>> work together with pro-choicers to provide every alternative to abortion.
>> Each has their selfish interest to protect ($ for pro-choicers, LIFE for
>> pro-lifers) and will not work with the other.  
>
>    I guess now that the cat is out of the bag, all of us pro-choicers are
>just going to have to close up our clinics.  They've figured out that we're
>only pro-choice because of the vast amounts of money we're all getting for
>aborting everything in sight.
>-- 
>Jeff Sonntag
>ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j
>    "I am what I am, and that's all that I am."-Popeye the sailor man.
>
The fact is this:  ACTIVE Pro-lifers get no money for their efforts.
		   ACTIVE Pro-choicers make ALOT of money for their efforts.

Take away the profit from abortion and see how many pro-choicers stay ACTIVE.

Matt Noah

barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry) (03/25/85)

I'm an active pro choicer....where's my money?

This is such a ridiculous argument, I can't help but question the
rationality of the poster.  Did you know, Matt, that MANY clinics are
non profit?  They do abortions and don't make any money on them.  Does
this surprise you?

If you like, the pro choicers on the net will collect their income tax
forms and send them to you.  Gee, I wonder how much is in the column:
Abortion Revenue".

Some people aren't in it for the money, they're in it for reproductive
freedom.  And believe it or not, that doesn't make any money either.

rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Dr. Emmanuel Wu) (03/27/85)

ANSWER: No.

> The fact is this:  ACTIVE Pro-lifers get no money for their efforts.
> 		   ACTIVE Pro-choicers make ALOT of money for their efforts.
> 
> Take away the profit from abortion and see how many pro-choicers stay ACTIVE.
> 
> Matt Noah

The "fact"?  How about "the opinion"?  Given the large numbers of people
unrelated to the "industry" of abortion (do you know of ANYTHING that
people engage in and render money for that does NOT become a money-grubbing
profit-motive "industry"?--end of argument about "abortion industry") that
actively support the right to abortion, I fail to see where your "fact"
comes from.
-- 
Meet the new wave, same as the old wave...
      				Rich Rosen     ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr

wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler) (03/28/85)

Mikki, Mikki, once more you have stepped into the trap.
Non-profit clinics do exist, yes.  But, dear woman, the
Doctors and Nurses who perform the operation DO make
a profit.  The clinic only shows that the money taken
in was all paid out.  Simple, right?  Non-profita

in was all paid out.  Simple, right?  Wrong!
Some scumbag of a doctor is lining his pockets with the
lives of others.  In addition, you will probably find
that the so-called non-profit clinic is owned by
the doctor.  Reality is hard to face, Mikki, but try
it sometime.  The state of New York is currently
investigating any number of Clinics which are
performing abortions on women who are not even pregnant.
Isn't that a fine kettle of fish?
T. C. Wheeler

david@tekig.UUCP (David Hayes) (03/28/85)

> The fact is this:  ACTIVE Pro-lifers get no money for their efforts.
> 		   ACTIVE Pro-choicers make ALOT of money for their efforts.
> 
> Take away the profit from abortion and see how many pro-choicers stay ACTIVE.
> 
> Matt Noah



Ok Matt,

Take away the profit from anything and see how fast ANYONE stays
active.

dave

dbrown@watarts.UUCP (Dave Brown) (03/29/85)

In article <783@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes:
>> The fact is this:  ACTIVE Pro-lifers get no money for their efforts.
>> 		   ACTIVE Pro-choicers make ALOT of money for their efforts.
>> Take away the profit from abortion and see how many pro-choicers stay ACTIVE.

Note: Not all Pro-abortion(Don't flame over this; we have all heard it before)
      people make money from abortion. Only the abortionists do.
>> 
>> Matt Noah
>
>The "fact"?  How about "the opinion"?  Given the large numbers of people
>unrelated to the "industry" of abortion (do you know of ANYTHING that
>people engage in and render money for that does NOT become a money-grubbing
>profit-motive "industry"?--end of argument about "abortion industry") that
>actively support the right to abortion, I fail to see where your "fact"
>comes from.
>      				Rich Rosen     ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr


1. I agree with Rich, as stated above; not every one makes money from pro-abortion stances.

2. I have not seen how rich an abortionist can be, at least today.

3. Just because anything becomes a profit-motive industry does not make that
   profit motive any more right---  continuation of arguement
   about "abortion industry".

4. Abortionists have historically made quite a lot of money at what they do.
   (This fact has more to do with stimulating thought then proving anything--
   it may not apply to today).

Something to chew on from,

				DAVE BROWN

rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Dr. Emmanuel Wu) (03/29/85)

>>The "fact"?  How about "the opinion"?  Given the large numbers of people
>>unrelated to the "industry" of abortion (do you know of ANYTHING that
>>people engage in and render money for that does NOT become a money-grubbing
>>>profit-motive "industry"?--end of argument about "abortion industry") that
>>actively support the right to abortion, I fail to see where your "fact"
>>comes from.
>>      				Rich Rosen     ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr

> 1. I agree with Rich, as stated above; not every one makes money from pro-abortion stances.

What are you trying to do, ruin both of our reputations?  :-)

> 2. I have not seen how rich an abortionist can be, at least today.
> 
> 3. Just because anything becomes a profit-motive industry does not make that
>    profit motive any more right---  continuation of arguement
>    about "abortion industry".

Nope, still the end.  It merely marks as an irrelevancy the notion that "but
these people are making huge profits from doing this, thus it's wrong".

> 4. Abortionists have historically made quite a lot of money at what they do.
>    (This fact has more to do with stimulating thought then proving anything--
>    it may not apply to today).

Those who do things illegal often charge high prices for their services.
Another irrelevancy...
-- 
Meet the new wave, same as the old wave...
      				Rich Rosen     ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr

barry@mit-eddie.UUCP (Mikki Barry) (04/05/85)

TC, dearheart.  Don't you understand that who makes money and who
doesn't shouldn't even be a part of this discussion?  How much are
the leaders of pro-life making?  Does it even make a difference?

Would it really make a difference to your cause if doctors and nurses
in abortion clinics didn't make any money at all?  Would it change your
opinion on whether abortion should be made illegal?  What about the
doctors that will make MORE money if abortion is made illegal again?
What about the funeral parlors that will make MORE money from women dying
from illegal abortions?

So you see, they money issue is sidestepping the real problem....problem
pregnancy.  Cut down on these and you cut down on abortion.  Logical, eh?

Mikki Barry