[net.abortion] Planetitis

mn@dscvax2.UUCP (Matt Noah) (05/14/85)

> Isn't it odd that the "pro-lifers" posting to this group
> are almost all men, while the "pro-choicers" are of both
> genders but more likely to be women? Makes me wonder if 
> the pro-life men *REALLY* believe in women's right like
> most of them claim to. If *I* had an unwnated child,
> would *YOU* adopt it, or say, sorry you little slut, it's
> all your fault. (And it's not likely to be a healthy
> baby either...I have health problems that would most likely
> affect it)

Ann - if you can't use factual or faith-based arguments
to justify your position, why burden us with your gender-based
insights which are totally prejudicial?  Generalizing is so
de-humanizing.  We are all individuals with minds of our own.
Gloria Steinem is not philosophically close to Phyllis Schaffly
even though both are women. 
If you had an unwanted child I would not adopt it.  Maybe in a
few years - at a different time in my life.  That does not
disqualify my philosophy or make me a hypocrite.  I, like alot
of people, also believe that everyone who wants to work should
have the opportunity to do so.  I can't provide a job for
everyone who wants one BUT I can push for legislation and/or
programs that would lead to my goals.  Continuing the analogy,
do you look at an unemployed person and think that they are
shiftless, lazy drains on society?  If you do, then I would
say you look on them as *sluts* - in the analogous sense a woman
with a problem pregnancy is a slut.  
No one with a right mind hopes for a baby with health problems
but is a handicapped or retarded person's life any less important
than a healthy person's?  Who decides who lives?  I think that
question is best left up to God and nature.  Hitler tried to
decide who lived and who died in this world.  A black American
named Jesse Owens embarrassed him in front of the world.  The
reason he was embarrassed was that he realized that his purebreds
were not superior but were just as capable of being beaten as
anyone else.  Physically, Hitler was healthy.  Would he be aborted
in a world with a healthy-baby-only society?  Do you enjoy
Beethoven's music?  Not only would Beethoven have been aborted in
healthy-baby-only society, so probably would all of his siblings.
Well, not every handicapped or retarded person is a Beethoven you
say.  Certainly every healthy person is not Hitler.  You might even
be saying that caring and providing for these less-than-perfect
individuals is an unwarranted drain on all our pocketbooks when we
could be spending our well-earned money elsewhere.  For most netters,
who are doing better than most Americans, this would mean taking a
slightly less extravagent vacation or driving the car another year 
before getting a new one.  Considering all the wasteful, expensive
things our government spends money on, why not use it for a good
humane, human cause - helping our fellow man?  What greater good can
there be?

> 	Men, if you really believe that there is plenty
> of space for unwanted children, put your money where 
> your mouth is. And don't forget that this planet *IS*
> approaching its capacity for supporting life.
> 
>				ann

I don't believe there is space on this planet for your brand of
philosophy.  Abortion is an epidemic in this country!  I strongly
resent your contention that alot of good people - not just women -
are just sitting on their hands moralizing.  It shows your lack of
knowledge on the subject.  Pregnancy counseling centers, free housing
and medical care as well as job training are being made available to
as many women as can be accomodated.  This is a huge problem!  What
are you doing to help solve it?

Matt Noah