arndt@lymph.DEC (07/08/85)
The Germans made soap out of Jews. After they were dead of course. Listening to some of the geeks on this net I see that there is no reason not to buy and use Rosensoap. Would you object Rich?? I mean after you were dead of course. Remember Solient Green ( "It's people.") How about a lunch counter outside the state prison serving human cutlets after an death sentence is carried out? It's only meat, right? I find it mildly amusing that there are some otherwise human people on the net who can see no reason to respect the dead body of a human being. "It's just meat.", "Take mine, I'm done with it." Say . . . they use body parts in operations, don't they??? See . . . it must be the same thing Stanley. Rich, I'd like your skin so I can stuff it and put a lamp in your head for my den. First dibs, ok? Why not use your mother/father/child for fertilizer in the old garden instead of paying all that money for a fancy funeral. Gee, can't think of a reason why not . . . can you? Buy more ammo!! Can the New Dark Ages be far away??? Keep chargin' Ken Arndt
csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe) (07/09/85)
In article <3026@decwrl.UUCP> arndt@lymph.DEC writes: >How about a lunch counter outside the state prison serving human cutlets after >an death sentence is carried out? It's only meat, right? >I find it mildly amusing that there are some otherwise human people on the net >who can see no reason to respect the dead body of a human being. "It's just >meat.", "Take mine, I'm done with it." > >Say . . . they use body parts in operations, don't they??? See . . . it must >be the same thing Stanley. > >Rich, I'd like your skin so I can stuff it and put a lamp in your head for >my den. First dibs, ok? > >Why not use your mother/father/child for fertilizer in the old garden instead >of paying all that money for a fancy funeral. Gee, can't think of a reason >why not . . . can you? >Ken Arndt [Long train of puerile insults deleted] I suppose you are one of those people who never bothers to find any culture beyond the local Burger King. Well, Ken, I hate to shock you, but there are many tribes which use the parts of their dead for... you got it! Food and ornaments. They consider this due respect. Did you know that some tribes discovered the blood of their dead made great fertilizer? What better honor than to grant your tribe a good harvest after your death? Personally, if "Leg of Arndt" appears in my local deli, I'll pass it up :-). -- Charles Forsythe CSDF@MIT-VAX "The Church of Fred has yet to come under attack. No one knows about it." -Rev. Wang Zeep
rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (07/09/85)
> The Germans made soap out of Jews. After they were dead of course. Listening > to some of the geeks on this net I see that there is no reason not to buy > and use Rosensoap. Would you object Rich?? I mean after you were dead of > course. Remember Solient Green ( "It's people.") You mean after I was killed for it? Once I'm dead, I do hope my body and its parts are put to good use. As a living human being, I am not to be slaughtered for that purpose while alive. And even you, though you don't qualify as a living human being (well, maybe by some people's very liberal definition...), I wouldn't have the right to slaughter you for that purpose either. (Besides, in your case, Ken, the only kind of soap we'd get is that gag soap that makes you dirty when you use it...) > How about a lunch counter outside the state prison serving human cutlets after > an death sentence is carried out? It's only meat, right? Yumm. With stuffed arndtichokes. This is an argument? Or a spectacle? Human beings are alive. Living organisms of OUR species, whose rights we respect. Fetuses (funny you forgot to bring them up) are not. > I find it mildly amusing that there are some otherwise human people on the net > who can see no reason to respect the dead body of a human being. "It's just > meat.", "Take mine, I'm done with it." Or of a cow. Or a duck. My god, we eat those things as food!!! First, Night of the Living Dead. Then, Dawn of the Dead. Then, Moment by Moment. Now, RESTAURANTS OF THE LIVING!!!! See live human beings eating dead animal flesh!!!! "This looks like you took some clams, killed them, and poured wine over them!!!" And what do we do with human bodies? Well, once we're "done with it", why not ensure that other human beings may get some use from it. What's wrong with that? Are you taking rabblerousing lessons from Gary Samuelson? > Say . . . they use body parts in operations, don't they??? See . . . it must > be the same thing Stanley. Yeah, once I'm dead I hope my body parts get used in some useful way. I think perhaps Ken is just jealous because no human being would ever want his body parts. > Why not use your mother/father/child for fertilizer in the old garden instead > of paying all that money for a fancy funeral. Gee, can't think of a reason > why not . . . can you? It may be against THEIR wishes is one reason. I don't intend my loved ones to spend money on such rituals when there are more useful alternatives. Perhaps you and your loved one (probably one in the same) have some different arrangement. > Can the New Dark Ages be far away??? Not with people like Ken out there dredging up the old ones...
chrisa@azure.UUCP (Chris Andersen) (07/10/85)
In article <3026@decwrl.UUCP> arndt@lymph.DEC writes: > >The Germans made soap out of Jews. After they were dead of course. Listening >to some of the geeks on this net I see that there is no reason not to buy >and use Rosensoap. Would you object Rich?? I mean after you were dead of >course. Remember Solient Green ( "It's people.") I would object to the killing to get the ingredients of course. But once a person is dead, what is the body but a collection of organic matter no different then any other dead animal. > >How about a lunch counter outside the state prison serving human cutlets after >an death sentence is carried out? It's only meat, right? right, it is. > >I find it mildly amusing that there are some otherwise human people on the net >who can see no reason to respect the dead body of a human being. "It's just >meat.", "Take mine, I'm done with it." Which should we respect, the body of a dead person or the memory of a dead person? I know some of you would say both, but why put a lifeless hunk of cells on the same level as the thoughts and emotions of the person that once occupied it? Also, ever heard of organ donation and giving your body to science? Is this disrespect for the dead body? > >Say . . . they use body parts in operations, don't they??? See . . . it must >be the same thing Stanley. Ohh, I see you have heard of organ donation, pardon me. > >Rich, I'd like your skin so I can stuff it and put a lamp in your head for >my den. First dibs, ok? psst Rich, get a good price for it (cash in advance). You can will it to him. > >Why not use your mother/father/child for fertilizer in the old garden instead >of paying all that money for a fancy funeral. Gee, can't think of a reason >why not . . . can you? Nope. As a matter of fact I think it would be a wonderful way to honor your parents. Use them to fertilize the tree under which they were engaged and they then (in a way) become a part of what was a big part of their lives. Sounds wonderful. Good idea Ken. > >Buy more ammo!! This is net.abortion not net.rec.guns, please don't mix topics. > >Can the New Dark Ages be far away??? Depends on what the Dark Age is (have we ever left it?). > >Keep chargin' Can I use your Visa number? > >Ken Arndt Life, Love, Laughter, Chris Andersen -- "Roads? Where we're going we don't need any roads!"
jeand@ihlpg.UUCP (AMBAR) (07/10/85)
> Human beings are alive. Living organisms of OUR species, whose rights we > respect. Fetuses (funny you forgot to bring them up) are not. Fetuses are living organisms of OUR species. (DEEP BLACK SARCASM ON) I certainly don't plan to bear kittens. And since they are, why are their rights being abused? Gee, maybe that's what we're here to discuss...... (DEEP BLACK SARCASM OFF) -- AMBAR {the known universe}!ihnp4!ihlpg!jeand "You shouldn't let people drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance."
tdn@cmu-cs-spice.ARPA (Thomas Newton) (07/11/85)
> Human beings are alive. Living organisms of OUR species, whose rights we > respect. Fetuses (funny you forgot to bring them up) are not. You're claiming that for a person to be a human being, his/her rights must be respected by the society in which s/he lives? By this definition, blacks in the Old South, Jews in Nazi Germany, and dissidents in the Soviet Union are not human beings. Fetuses ARE living organisms of our species, i.e. human beings. It is true that we do not respect their rights, but that does not make them less human. Gee, a perfect justification for every crime! When the police catch up with a murderer, s/he can claim that the person s/he murdered was not a human being. And why was this person not a human being? Because the murderer clearly did not respect his/her rights!! See any resemblance to "Catch-22"?
wine@homxa.UUCP (J.GORDON) (07/17/85)
>> Human beings are alive. Living organisms of OUR species, whose rights we >> respect. Fetuses (funny you forgot to bring them up) are not. Thomas Newton writes: >You're claiming that for a person to be a human being, his/her rights must be >respected by the society in which s/he lives? By this definition, blacks in >the Old South, Jews in Nazi Germany, and dissidents in the Soviet Union are >not human beings. This is one of the most ridiculous interpretations of a sentence I have heard in a while. The sentence being referred to is not very precise as it assumes that everyone respects the life of 'living organisms of OUR species', but it certainly does not imply that only those whose lives are respected are human beings. Let's not use misinterpretations and out-of-context quotes to prove that pro-choice arguments are incorrect. Jim Gordon, Jr (@AT&T Bell Laboratories, W. Long Branch)