[net.religion.jewish] Hell: Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna

martillo@ihuxt.UUCP (Yehoyaqim Shemtob Martillo) (04/10/84)

>The Essenes were not Pharisees. They were a group of people who were
>indeed so upset with the evil Pharisees that they went into their
>monasteries to withdrawn from the world. Recently some translations
>of the Essene writings have shown prayers which are word-for-word
>identical with what John the Baptist was saying in the desert.

Calling the Pharisees evil strikes me as a wee bit bigoted.  Indications
are that people would pass back and forth between Pharisees and Essenes
fairly easily and that the ideological positions of the two groups were
not as distant as between Pharisees and Saducees.

>This leads to some speculation over whether John teh Baptist was an
>Essene -- or an ex-Essene since he preached the forgiveness of Sins,
>something which was not a part of Essene belief.

>In palestine, at Christ's time there were three main groups of Jews.
>There were the Sadducees whom we don't know very much about, except
>that they had disagreements about the immortality of the body/soul with
>the Pharisees, the Pharisees, who founded the Rabinical tradition, and
>hence are the ancestors of modern Judaism (so we know a lot about them)
>and the Essenes, whose writing are just getting translated now.

First you call the Pharisees evil and then you state they founded
Rabbinical tradition of Judaism.  What conclusion is supposed to be drawn
about the Rabbinical tradition of Judaism?

This description of Jewish sects 2000 years ago shows a lack of study.
What about the zealots?

>The Pharisees thought that the way to salvation was through good
>behaviour. They sat around and read scripture and interpreted what the
>Law was, and said ``right -- God said do this -- everybody do this,
>(even if you don't understand it) because God said so, and this is
>what all good Jews should do and how you win Salvation''.

This description also shows a lack of study.

>The Essenes were ye-old-tyme Jewish Calvinists. There postition was
>that God was going to save some people (the Essenes, of course) and
>damn others. Don't ask why. God just predestines those he is going to
>save and those he is not. To demonstrate that you are saved you
>join up with more Essenes and get very heavily into fasting,
>purifying immersions into water (sound familiar?) and various other
>ascetic practices which I forget now.

Immersion and fasting are standard Jewish practices.

>You can see how friction might develop. The Pharisees are busy determining
>what is and what is not to be eaten by Jews with what and when and how,
>(according to scripture) and the Essenes are saying that all of this does
>not matter, and that you shouldn't eat very much at all -- mostly
>beetles and locusts and rats and other desert scum if you want to be a
>very pious Essene. Eventually, the Pharisses drove the Essenses out
>(conversely the Essenes were so disgusted by the Pharisees that they
>left) into monasteries. Periodically one Essene or anotehr would go out into
>the desert and collect a crowd and berate them for being predestined to
>wherever the Essenes thought that the not-saved would go. Other than
>that, they kept to themselves.

The Essenes were apparently much stricter than Pharisees about what and
with whom one should eat.  Certain locusts are permissable to eat
according to Rabbinical tradition.  Essenes certainly did not eat beetles
and rats.  No known Jewish sect has ever permitted eating such things.

>If John the Baptist was an Essene, then he was an Essene who did not believe
>in the double-predestination (which doesn't make him an Essene at all,
>since that is fundamental to their belief -- though it doesn't preclude
>John from *thinking* that he was an Essene). it is likely that he was
>not, though undoubtably influenced by Essene thought since he believed that
>man could be saved if he repented, and through baptism -- whereas the
>Essenes knew that all the saved were saved ``from birth'' and predestined
>that way by God -- and that baptism was something that you did repeatedly
>as you reflected on how luckyu you were to be an Essene and how miserable
>you were to be a sinner still.
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                    Yehoyaqim Shemtob Martillo

   (At the narrow passage, there is neither brother nor friend)