[net.religion.jewish] AI and souls

robison@eosp1.UUCP (Tobias D. Robison) (06/27/84)

References:

I am the originator of the problem of attributing a soul to an AI
program.  The original idea has been widely misunderstood, so
here is an explanation again:

Suppose that you have created a computer (hdw+sfw) that appears
to converse quite well, and to add its own ideas to conversation.
Suppose now that some well respected theologian comes along and
claims to the world at large that your computer has been a soul by
G-d.  If you disagree, what do you do?

Please note in the above that it is a non-technical outsider,
not a computer professional, who may make the claim for a soul!

Those who agree with the theologian will want to make sure you do
not harm or "kill" the soul.  They may regard any further software
changes as vivesection of the worst kind.  Your scientific arguments
will be lost on your opponents.

I think that this possibility must be seriously considered by all
who hope to achieve good computer models of human thought.
					- Toby Robison (not Robinson!)
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yba@mit-athena.ARPA (Mark H Levine) (07/01/84)

I think you have not understood most of the replies; a theologian who
thought an AI system had a soul would probably base his concepts of the
soul on the model he uses for human beings.

A human being's soul is not modified by surgery is it?  Or by granting
a college degree after "educating" the mind?  Nor is it harmed in any
way by death (turning off the machine).  Your hypothetical theologian
just does not act like a theologian.  There is no such thing as soul
murder--murder is the unlawful killing of a person, the unbinding of
his soul from his body.  Doesn't your Kaballah teacher tell you the
soul returns to God after death?  That you get to try life until you get it
right?

What you have originated is an inconsistent conjecture.

To illustrate, allow me to turn the tables: I, a programmer, coming from
outside of theology, decide that you, Tony, have a soul.  I declare that
you must not be allowed to die, as that would violate your soul, something
I, educated in your school of thought, find unacceptable, even if part of
the natural order.  I believe we must turn all our societal efforts to
AI research in order to preserve your soul past your death, by loading
it into a computer.  In order to accomplish this, like the inquisitional
church of the dark ages, I am even willing to kill (NOT murder) you to
effect the transfer.  Now, what have you to say?

This discussion grows like an onion; it gets longer as your head gets
buried deeper.  Can we stop yet?

Anybody heard the one about the widower and the parrot who davens?  I
like the jokes that are up front about it!  Offensive to no one....

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