[net.religion.jewish] Is Diane Feinstein Jewish?

martillo@ihuxt.UUCP (Yehoyaqim Martillo) (07/12/84)

I am surprised that the media keep calling Diane Feinstein Jewish.  Most
of her public statements show that she would not know a Jewish idea or
value even if it were to run up and bite her on the ankle.  She has no
involvement in anything Jewish.  And unless she has converted (which I
doubt), she is not Jewish because her parentage is not Jewish.

-- 

Who wouldn't break for whales?

Yehoyaqim Shemtob Martillo
	

dcs@homxa.UUCP (D.SIMEN) (07/12/84)

"...her parentage is not Jewish."
					-- Y. Martillo

How do you know?  (Not a challenge, just a question.)

						David ben Mord'kai Simen
						...!houxm!homxa!dcs

harry@ucbvax.UUCP (Harry I. Rubin) (07/16/84)

Your definition of Jewish is obviously very different from "The Media's."
Your's seems to be either or both of (a) acknowledges and acts
in accordance with Jewish values or (b) Halachically Jewish, that is,
mother is Jewish; I can't tell from your article which you mean.
"The Media" probably go by something like (a) self and/or parents call
themselves Jewish, and/or (b) has or had some contact with Jewish institutions
at some point in life (Jewish school, attended or at least belonged to a 
synagogue/temple, Bar/Bat Mitzvah, Jewish wedding, ...).
Regardless of the Halachic, moral, or philosophical issues involved, the
fact is that "The Media" does label Di Fi as Jewish,
therefore the general populace considers her Jewish, therefore her conduct,
both political and personal, reflects on the Jewish people in general.

If memory serves, Di Fi does call herself Jewish.
Are we or anyone else going to tell her "No, you are not Jewish and you 
cannot call yourself Jewish??"

Point the third: looks like this is leading to a discussion of "who is a Jew,"
so I'll get my two cents worth in early. (Flame on.) I would like to say
that a Jew is any person who calls themselves a Jew, who throws in their lot
with the Jewish people. We may hope that all such persons will take this 
membership or committment seriously and make the effort to learn something
about Judaism (theology, ritual, morals and values, etc., etc.; any and all)
and better yet, to practice some of what they learn. However,
while this is desirable, it is not necessary in order to consider the 
person in question a Jew. I know this is not the Halachic rule, but
consider the following case: a Jewish man marries a non-Jewish woman
(I disapprove, but many people seem to do it anyway), she does not formally 
convert, they belong to a very Reform synagogue, participate slightly (attend
services, say, half a dozen times in a year), have a slightly Jewish household
(don't keep kosher, do observe Chanuka, maybe have or attend a Seder),
but consider themselves a Jewish family and give themselves out as such.
The children get very little Jewish education but consider themselves Jewish.
Now, I do not want to accept a definition of who is a Jew which leaves these
children out. I know that their mother is not Jewish; I know that they
are not learned or observant Jews. Never-the-less, they are Jewish. They may
or may not someday become more learned or more observant; yet they are Jewish.
Their congregation considers them Jewish. The world at large considers them
Jewish. They consider themselves Jewish. How can anyone tell them
that they are not Jewish? (Flame off.)

(Flamers please note: I do not mean to disparage Reform Jews or the Reform
movement. There are many sincere, learned, and observant people who are Reform.
There is a Reform philosophy which merits discussion. However, there are also
people who are Reform Jews because for them "Reform Judaism" means
"minimal Judaism." It is such a case I have tried to draw above.
Please hold off flames about the merits of Reform Judaism
for another time. Thanks.)
					Harry I. Rubin
					(harry@berkeley, ...!ucbvax!harry)

smb@ulysses.UUCP (Steven Bellovin) (07/16/84)

Feinstein does indeed consider herself Jewish.  In fact, she was asked if
she considered that a factor in Mondale's choice of Ferrarro over her; she
said she did not know.