[net.religion.jewish] solutions?

yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) (09/28/84)

>I am somewhat disturbed--and at the same time somewhat sympathetic--
>to Yiri BenDavid's views expressed in his "Christian naion" article.

>Yiri,  while  it is true that some parts of Christianity can  be 

>viewed  as paganistic according to Jewish teachng,  I feel it  is 

>very  unfair to make the statement that Christianity--which  in  a 

>sense  Judaized the *real* pagan world--is worse than materialism.  

>It seems to me that such a statement is at  best,  inappropriate, 

>and at worst, antagonistic.

Bill,  Christianity did not Judaize the pagan world in any sense. 
Rather,  Christianity  paganized (Roman-ized) the teachings of  a 
Jewish  sect  known  as the N'tzarim  and  spread  the  corrupted 
teachings  to the world.  Christianity is not Jewish in any sense 
and cannot therefore,  Judaize.  Secondly,  materialism was never 
the   primary  motivating  factor  in  the   persecutions   under 
Constantine,  the Crusaders, the Spanish Inquisition, nor Hitler. 
It  may  have  been important to a few of the  leaders,  but  the 
persecutions   were  fueled  by  Christian  concerns  more   than 
materialism.  The persecutions would never have caught on due  to 
materialism alone,  but the converse does not hold.  Therefore, I 
conclude that Christianity is FAR worse than materialism.

>Perhaps the real reason for your concern is the fact that you resent
>being Jewish in a predominantly Christian nation.  Instead of confronting
>the fact, and perhaps moving to Brooklyn or Netanya, you are under the
>illusion that the dominant religion in this nation should cloak itself
>in secular garb, and not show its face to you.

I  think the real reason for my concern has been stated and  your 
inference  does  not  merit  a response.  I do  think  that  your 
suggestion  that religious Jews should be able to pick up  stakes 
and   move  to  Brooklyn  betrays  a  rather  callous   lack   of 
understanding for other less fortunate Jews, and this is the kind 
of  cavalier  attitude  which  has alienated  so  many  from  our 
community.  Furthermore,  the principles of this country are that 
neither Jews nor any other religion should be confined to certain 
areas in order to get jobs or practice their religion in freedom. 
For the record,  these are not MY problems we are discussing,  so 
applying  psychoanalysis to MY motivations aren't going to  solve 
them.  Neither are suggestions that 'I' do something or other. It 
is  not  me that needs the help and/or solutions.  I had  thought 
that  was obvious.  As to which of us are  under  illusions,  I'm 
content to leave that for the reader to decide.

>Most religious Jews probably do not have these conflicts because
>they do not care if a school district in Montgomerey County, Alabama
>prays to a Jewish carpenter.  In fact, this is just what they want:   
>non-religious Jews would then be confronted with their
>Jewishness (like that Jewish mother who found her kid singing So-and-so
>Loves Me).  The problem of separating the holy from the profane (hamavdil
>ben kodesh l'chol) then becomes a lot easier, doesn't it?

Bill,  I  really don't think you speak for 'most' religious Jews. 
Certainly  you are presumptuous in trying to speak for this  one. 
And  I jolly well DO care about Jews in Montgomery  County  being 
oppressed  by  Christianity.  I'm saddened that you do  not,  and 
panicked that 'most religious Jews' may not. I pray you are wrong 
that 'this is just what [religious Jews] want'. On behalf of that 
Jewish mother I'm deeply offended and grieved by your callous and 
cavalier  'holier-than-thou'  attitude.  She may  be  ashamed  to 
confront  you  but someone needs to point out the effect of  such 
attitudes  and the consequences.  It is this attitude  which  has 
alienated  so many who were brought up in religious homes and who 
once  attended  synagogue themself.  You seem to think  there  is 
something wrong with them.  I feel there is something wrong  with 
the way we are doing things - and this is one.  As for separating 
the  holy from the profane,  I contend that there is little  more 
profane  than  such  disregard for the plight  of  less-fortunate 
fellow Jews.
                               
>My advice:  send your kids to day school, teach them Jewish ways, and
>let them be a light unto the nations:  Don't worry about small political 
>issues, and don't get bitter at other religious beliefs.

Has it not occurred to you that there might exist Jews who cannot 
afford  to send their kids to day school?  Your idea  of  Judaism 
seems to be a rich man's religion. I agree that one should not be 
bitter - for one thing,  it is counter-productive.  On the  other 
hand,  to  not worry about these issues is symptomatic of what  I 
call the 'Ostrich Syndrome'.  It has been most injurious to us in 
the  past.  I  hope  you  will be more empathetic  to  the  less-
fortunate Jews and to those we have worked so hard to alienate in 
many instances. Work on some compassionate solutions for them.
A  final thought,  if we don't demand religious freedom while  we 
still have the freedom to do so,  how will we help ourselves when 
we no longer have that freedom? Have we learned nothing?

Gemar Hatimah Tovah to all.

Yirmiyahu Ben-David