larryg@teklds.UUCP (Larry Gardner) (01/22/85)
I hope that I wont offend anyone by responding to the questions I read today. One person in particular, I can't remember the name because it was quite long, had some excellent questions. I wanted to respond to a few points. First of all, if God is not a person, then what about the appearance to Abraham, Jacob and Moses? How could Abraham and God be friends, and didn't God speak to people individually? Jesus taught that the temple was no longer made of human hands, I think there is a reference to this in the Bible, not New Testament, but now God wants to dwell in the human heart. Jesus claimed to be a descendent of David and the first and last king. that's all for now since my terminal is going on the fritz. karen alias larryg
liss@psyche.DEC (Frederick R. Liss 237-3649) (01/28/85)
> >Jesus taught that the temple was no longer made of human hands, I think >there is a reference to this in the Bible, not New Testament, but now >God wants to dwell in the human heart. > >Jesus claimed to be a descendent of David and the first >and last king. > Why is Jesus being quoted in here? I thought this was a forum for discussing Jewish issues. Could this be a poorly disguised attempt to proselytize? Perhaps you should take this discussion to net.religion or net.religion.christian where you will find a more willing audience. >that's all for now since my terminal is going on the fritz. > >karen alias larryg > Terminal on the fritz? I don't think so. Maybe lightning is about to strike? :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick R. Liss ...decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-psyche!liss
de@moscom.UUCP (Dave Esan) (01/30/85)
> > First of all, if God is not a person, then what about the appearance > to Abraham, Jacob and Moses? How could Abraham and God be friends, and > didn't God speak to people individually? We hold that G-d does not have a form and is everywhere. If you check his appearances to the Patriarchs you will find that he always appeared in a dream. Moses is the single person in the Bible to whom G-d spoke face to face. We are taught that this reference, and the reference of the Egyptians to the finger of G-d, and the passing of G-d over the Jewish homes and through Egypt during the plague of the deaths of the first-born, are but allegorical. a primitive person, and even many sophisticated people, have trouble dealing with a god with no body or form. These descriptions are not(!!!) literal, but figurative. > Jesus taught that the temple was no longer made of human hands, I think > there is a reference to this in the Bible, not New Testament, but now > God wants to dwell in the human heart. I would like a reference to this source. Too much of the Bible has been mistranslated to accept a memory rather than a quote. > Jesus claimed to be a descendent of David and the first > and last king. While this response belongs in net.religion, and part of the article was lost by a bad terminal at the source, I must respond quickly. This is a strange claim, since the descendant of David in the Christian Bible is Joseph not Mary, who according to dogma bore no genetic link to Jesus. David Esan (!moscom!de) > > that's all for now since my terminal is going on the fritz. > > karen alias larryg *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***
ask@cbdkc1.UUCP (A.S. Kamlet) (02/03/85)
> David Esan (!moscom!de) > > karen alias larryg > > First of all, if God is not a person, then what about the appearance > > to Abraham, Jacob and Moses? How could Abraham and God be friends, and > > didn't God speak to people individually? > > We hold that G-d does not have a form and is everywhere. If you check his > appearances to the Patriarchs you will find that he always appeared in a > dream. Moses is the single person in the Bible to whom G-d spoke face to > face. Well, perhaps. "You cannot see My face, for Man shall not see Me and live." --Exodus XXXIII, 20. "...I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and it shall come to pass while My glory passes by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand until I have passed by. And I will take away My hand, and you shall see my back; but my face shall not be seen." --Exodus XXXIII, 22-23. > We are taught that this reference, and the reference of the Egyptians > to the finger of G-d, and the passing of G-d over the Jewish homes and through > Egypt during the plague of the deaths of the first-born, are but allegorical. > a primitive person, and even many sophisticated people, have trouble dealing > with a god with no body or form. These descriptions are not(!!!) literal, > but figurative. > > > Jesus taught that the temple was no longer made of human hands, I think > > there is a reference to this in the Bible, not New Testament, but now > > God wants to dwell in the human heart. > > I would like a reference to this source. Too much of the Bible has been > mistranslated to accept a memory rather than a quote. > I second the request for a reference from T'N'CH (What is often called the old testament.) > > Jesus claimed to be a descendent of David and the first > > and last king. > > While this response belongs in net.religion, and part of the article was > lost by a bad terminal at the source, I must respond quickly. This is > a strange claim, since the descendant of David in the Christian Bible is > Joseph not Mary, who according to dogma bore no genetic link to Jesus. > > David Esan (!moscom!de) I won't make the claim that I'm a decendent of David; but I might be. In fact, if someone could prove to me tomorrow that I was, I'd probably say, "Well, how about that?" and go right on with my business. > > that's all for now since my terminal is going on the fritz. > > > > karen alias larryg -- Art Kamlet AT&T Bell Laboratories Columbus {ihnp4 | cbosgd}!cbrma!ask
berger@aecom.UUCP (02/06/85)
>> David Esan (!moscom!de) > > >> We hold that G-d does not have a form and is everywhere. If you check his >> appearances to the Patriarchs you will find that he always appeared in a >> dream. Moses is the single person in the Bible to whom G-d spoke face to >> face. > > Well, perhaps. "You cannot see My face, for Man shall not see Me and live." > --Exodus XXXIII, 20. > "...I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and it shall come to pass > while My glory passes by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock, > and will cover you with My hand until I have passed by. And I will > take away My hand, and you shall see my back; but my face shall > not be seen." --Exodus XXXIII, 22-23. > I understood this to mean that no human being can perceive the ultamite truth. That, if such a thing could be perceived, there would be no point to existance, no stuggle to choose good over evil. Just as His hand is an aligorical reference to His might, His face would refer to His understanding. I beleive that Adam was punished with death because after eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil, if man existed forever he would inevitabely perfect himself. Of course, I could be wrong, further comments are requested. > I won't make the claim that I'm a decendent of David; but I might be. > In fact, if someone could prove to me tomorrow that I was, I'd probably > say, "Well, how about that?" and go right on with my business. > But then again, you're not claiming to be the king of peice either. michab
alan@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Alan Algustyniak) (02/07/85)
>If you check his >appearances to the Patriarchs you will find that he always appeared in a >dream. > > David Esan (!moscom!de) What is the difference between God appearing to someone in a dream, and someone dreaming that God appeared to him ? sdcrdcf!alan