dsg@mhuxi.UUCP (David S. Green) (02/07/85)
References: <3780005@csd2.UUCP> [Here I go again, Mr. Golem of Chelm] > As far as causing "sinas chinum" the talmud tells us that it > is a mitzvah to hate "reshoim". So don't try to use any > misplaced "tsidkus" for the distorters of our holy religion. > Asher Schechter Can you please enlighten me as to where the Talmud says "it is a mitzvah to hate reshoim". And in what context is it said? Subject: Re: Who is a * Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Distribution: net References: <3780005@csd2.UUCP> [Here I go again, Mr. Golem of Chelm] > As far as causing "sinas chinum" the talmud tells us that it > is a mitzvah to hate "reshoim". So don't try to use any > misplaced "tsidkus" for the distorters of our holy religion. > Asher Schechter Can you please enlighten me as to where the Talmud says "it is a mitzvah to hate reshoim". And in what context is it said?
samet@sfmag.UUCP (A.I.Samet) (02/08/85)
> References: <3780005@csd2.UUCP> > > [Here I go again, Mr. Golem of Chelm] > > > As far as causing "sinas chinum" the talmud tells us that it > > is a mitzvah to hate "reshoim". So don't try to use any > > misplaced "tsidkus" for the distorters of our holy religion. > > Asher Schechter > > Can you please enlighten me as to where the Talmud says "it is > a mitzvah to hate reshoim". > And in what context is it said? A good question, but an adequate answer would be long and complicated. "Rasha" has different meanings, even withing halacha. We need to be careful about going overboard with heterim for hatred, loshon hora etc. The offenses are serious. In practice, a COMPETANT Rav should be asked, not second-rate experts, on this net or elsewhere. To stimulate some study (and hopefully to cool flaming) I quote from the Mishneh Bruruah and Biur Halacha (both from the saintly Chafetz Chaim) in Siman Aleph of the Shulchan Aruch. The Shulchan Aruch states that one should be ever-conscious of the Creator's presence and not be embarassed if people scoff at his service of G-d (e.g., doing mitzvas). The Mishneh Brurah explains [loose synopsis] that one should never refrain from mitzvas because of scoffers but he should consider avoiding confrontation. If they are bigshots whom he won't impress, it's preferable to avoid them . If however, they can be influenced by his example he should practice the mitzvah in their presence (without stuffing his ego). The Biur Halacha expands ...In the above case the mitzvah is personal and the harassment is directed at the individual. Then, of course, he should ignore them and avoid futile confrontion. (The capitalized continuation below is close to literal) "BUT IF 1. HE IS IN A PLACE WHERE EPICURSIM (heretics) RISE UP AGAINST THE TORAH AND WANT TO INTRODUCE PUBLIC WHICH WOULD TO DRAW OUR PEOPLE AWAY FROM G- D'S WILL, AND 2. HE APPROACHED THEM IN PEACE AND THEY REFUSED TO LISTEN THEN THIS CASE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT, AND THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION DOES NOT APPLY. HERE, IT IS A MITZVAH TO HATE THEM AND TO FIGHT WITH THEM AND TO DEFEAT THEIR PLOT BY ANY MEANS - AS DAVID HAMELECH (King David) OF BLESSED MEMORY SAID: I WILL FIGHT, WITH ULTIMATE HATRED WILL I HATE THEM ... (Psalms)' " Please remember that this is just a source, by it's a broad subject. Yitzchok Samet
samet@sfmag.UUCP (A.I.Samet) (02/08/85)
Followup:
Sorry the final quote from Psalms got garbled. Since it's the
best source I'm reposting:
"WILL NOT I HATE YOUR DETESTERS HASHEM, AND WITH THOSE WHO RISE UP
AGAINST YOU I WILL FIGHT, WITH ULTIMATE HATRED WILL I HATE THEM ..."
(Psalms)
Yitzchok Sametschechte@csd2.UUCP (asher schechter) (02/10/85)
I don't have time for a full response but I will give a few sources.
Megila 25,Yoma 86 & 38, Berachot 6,Baba Meziah 62, Avodah Zora 29 .
These are just a few of the many places in Talmud where we are instructed
how to deal with reshoim.
It is though interesting to note that acording to Tosafos we may not hate
a rosho as a person rather we should hate him for his bad actions only.
So if you dislike someone you can't say well he is a rosho so I may hate
him.
Asher Schechter