tamir@ucbvax.ARPA (Yuval Tamir) (02/17/85)
In article <486@sfmag.UUCP> samet@sfmag.UUCP (A.I.Samet) writes: >> Many of the orthodox Jews are just as extreme as the >> Moslems in Iran. When they talk they sound just like the Ayatola (sp?). >> ( The above is my writing. Yuval Tamir) > >Aren't you following the Ayatola? >The tone and content of your entire article is anti-semitic, extreme, dogmatic >paranoid, and vicious. I wonder how many net.religion.jewish readers are bothered by the way some Jews use the term "anti semitic". There is definitely a lot of real anti semitism in the world. Under the right circumstances it may surface in any country and result in the type of persecution Jews have suffered throughout history. However, some Jews tend to label "anti semitic" any person who disagrees with their philosophical/political/religious views. This bothers me since I think it desensitizes Jews and nonJews alike so that when real anti-semitism rears its ugly head people may say "this is just those paranoid Jews crying wolf once again". Comments ? BTW, I am Jewish and my family is Jewish. I believe that we are no better or worse than others simply because we are Jewish. I feel the same about ultra-orthodox religious Jews that try to force their beliefs on other Jews as I feel about ultra-orthodox people of all religions who try to do the same. If you are an orthodox religious Jews, think about how you would feel if Moslems tried to force you to follow their religion. That is the way I feel when the orthodox Jews try to force me to live my life according to their beliefs. Yuval Tamir P.S. Regarding the topic of "Jewish State vs. State for the Jews", I refer you to message 960@ihuxn.UUCP from Yosi Hoshen and leave it at that.
samet@sfmag.UUCP (A.I.Samet) (02/19/85)
> However, some Jews tend to label "anti semitic" any person > who disagrees with their philosophical/political/religious views. > >Aren't you following the Ayatola? > >The tone and content of your entire article is anti-semitic, extreme, dogmatic > >paranoid, and vicious. Yuval- I stopped short of calling YOU an anti-semite. Instead, I posed a question concerning "tone and content", to focus on the tragic similarities between your crude, hateful attacks on certain Jews and those of antisemites. The choice of words is required to illustrate that valid, ironic, similarity. Unfortunately the wording gave you an excuse to dodge the thrust of that question. I will rephrase it: "Does being Jewish give you license to attack other Jews in the low, hateful manner that virtually characterizes the (non-Jewish) antisemite?" Why do you stoop to their means and mentality? Yitchok Samet