kenw@lcuxc.UUCP (K Wolman) (02/26/85)
References: <16@unc.UUCP> <3780010@csd2.UUCP> <874@cbdkc1.UUCP>, <502@sfmag.UUCP> <273@lcuxc.UUCP> > >> Would you perhaps like to inform some of us well-intentioned >> people of the "extent of the misnomer," i.e., Conservatism using >> the term "halacha"? Try if possible to avoid the comments about >> driving to shul on Saturday; counting women in a minyan; and the >> RA's admission of women rabbis to membership. I for one would >> like to hear some new variations. I'd like to know a bit more >> about how I imperil my share of the Olam Haba by davening on >> Shabbos in a Conservative shul (not temple). > The misnomer is roughly similar to calling your remarks "well-intentioned". Y.S. That's not an answer. -- Ken Wolman Bell Communications Research @ Livingston lcuxc!kenw "Maybe, and that's final!"
samet@sfmag.UUCP (A.I.Samet) (03/01/85)
> References: <16@unc.UUCP> <3780010@csd2.UUCP> <874@cbdkc1.UUCP>, <502@sfmag.UUCP> <273@lcuxc.UUCP> >>> Would you perhaps like to inform some of us well-intentioned >>> people of the "extent of the misnomer," i.e., Conservatism using >>> the term "halacha"? Try if possible to avoid the comments about >>> driving to shul on Saturday; counting women in a minyan; and the >>> RA's admission of women rabbis to membership. I for one would >>> like to hear some new variations. I'd like to know a bit more >>> about how I imperil my share of the Olam Haba by davening on >>> Shabbos in a Conservative shul (not temple). (Ken Wolman) >> The misnomer is roughly similar to calling your remarks >> "well-intentioned".(Y. Samet) >That's not an answer. (Ken Wolman) Ken- You sound sincere. Your question was permeated with a tone of mockery. The Talmud classifies what's called "ha shoel al mnas lekanter" - one who asks to scorn rather than to understand. It's a waste of time to engage in discussion someone whose sole intention is to mock. My original statement was: >To someone who has invested years in yeshiva, studying the >Talmud, etc. the exploitation of the term "halacha" by >conservativism is a colossal deception. It's like equating "witch >doctors" with medical doctors. > >Many sincere people, like the writer of the above article, would >be shocked to discover the extent of the misnomer. A thorough discussion of this subject requires and deserves much time, which I didn't have. My alternative was to briefly share a personal reaction with other Jews. Did you expect an extensive explanation in response to your mocking? My concise answer to you hinted at the essence of the issue: Just as sincerity and mock sincerity are similar on the surface, but true opposites in essence, so too with Halacha and conservative mock-halacha. One is a vast encyclopedic, normative discipline rooted in Divine revelation as a fundamental, the other a cheap expedient revolving around M*N and his desires (god-in-search-of-M*N-ism). Perhaps I'll expand on this when time allows doing justice to the subject. Yitzchok Samet
dsg@mhuxi.UUCP (David S. Green) (03/01/85)
> Perhaps I'll expand on this when time allows doing justice to > the subject. Perhaps you would like to think about the Hebrew word for 'justice' and all that it implies before you take the time to respond to a sincere request for an explanation. I did not read the tone of the original article as a put-down or insult. BTW, I am not conservative! ACTION IS CHARACTER ------------------- ------------------- Shabbat Shalom, David HaMelech @ Chelm Hill