sms@eisx.UUCP (Samuel Saal) (03/22/85)
While we are watching out for things in other nets which disturb our sensibilities, I thought people might be interested in this little gem. Please understand that it was from net.flame and take large number of grains of salt while reading this. > From: suki@reed.UUCP (Monica Nosek) > Newsgroups: net.flame,net.religion > Subject: Defaming the name of Cod > > Keywords: Eat hot death, Bill! > > Mr. Houts: > I find your lack of faith disturbing. Do you think > that your cheese songs are amusing? I will admit that > "'Cheese is Nice' Superstore" is quite a catchy ditty, and > even well-written, but really, I think you should turn your > efforts to salvation and perhaps to composing some catchy > ditties about Moses or Abraham for prompt dumping in n.r.j. > > Indignantly, > Monica > p.s. I'm a Pisces--what are you? This is the entire posting including some of the header stuff; it is unabridged, unedited and fully inflammatory. Anti-semitism does not begin when they are trying to kill you. -- Sam Saal ..!{ihnp4}!eisx!sms Vayiphtach HaShem et pee ha'Atone.
todd@reed.UUCP (Todd Ellner) (03/25/85)
> I thought people might be interested in this little gem. > > > Subject: Defaming the name of Cod > > > > Keywords: Eat hot death, Bill! > > > > Mr. Houts: > > I find your lack of faith disturbing. Do you think > > that your cheese songs are amusing? I will admit that > > "'Cheese is Nice' Superstore" is quite a catchy ditty, and > > even well-written, but really, I think you should turn your > > efforts to salvation and perhaps to composing some catchy > > ditties about Moses or Abraham for prompt dumping in n.r.j. > > > > Indignantly, > > Monica > > p.s. I'm a Pisces--what are you? > > Anti-semitism > does not begin when they are trying to kill you. It really should be taken with a large amount of salt. I have never known Monica to post anything even remotely serious to the net. Besides, she wrote about half of the Cheese is Nice song. Todd
suki@reed.UUCP (Monica Nosek) (03/25/85)
In article <894@eisx.UUCP> sms@eisx.UUCP (Samuel Saal) writes: >While we are watching out for things in other nets which disturb our >sensibilities, I thought people might be interested in this little >gem. Please understand that it was from net.flame and take large number >of grains of salt while reading this. > ***Here inserted a transcript of a message I posted to net.flame*** > >This is the entire posting including some of the header stuff; >it is unabridged, unedited and fully inflammatory. Anti-semitism >does not begin when they are trying to kill you. > > >-- >Sam Saal ..!{ihnp4}!eisx!sms > >Vayiphtach HaShem et pee ha'Atone. Mr. Saal: It's odd that you should advise taking my flame with a grain of salt and then accuse me of anti-semitism and of making death threats. Yes, take this with a grain of salt. Better yet, let me tell you where the gist of that message came from: Bill Houts, my close personal friend and confidante, wrote a variation on several hymns he'd sung as a child, substituting the word "Cheeses" for "Jesus". While he was not trying to "blasphemous", he did get several nasty flames from the net.religion.christian folks, one of which read in part: "Hey, Bill, why don't you write a snappy little ditty about Moses or Abraham and dump it in n.r.j.? I hope you get roasted right here like you deserve to." Since that flame languishes in Bill's mbox and I don't have access to it, you'll simply have to accept on faith my quoting it, although I'm sure it's very close to the original. In any case, the message sent to Bill was from a Christian who took great offense at Bill's humor, and I think it's obvious that when this person suggested that Bill write something to put in n.r.j. he was making reference to the fact that he found Bill's verse highly anti-Christian, and that Bill could find out how offensive he really was by inflaming n.r.j. To my knowledge, Bill has not done so, because Bill is neither anti-semitic nor stupid enough to take up a rabid flamer on his suggestions simply to take a dare. I'm sorry that you found my posting to net.flame offensive. To all readers of n.r.j., I'm sorry for any misunderstanding. But I think that Mr. Saal is 1)a little quick on the trigger and 2)aiding and abetting bad feelings. Thanks for accusing me of anti-semitism, Mr. Saal. You've made my day brighter. And special thanks for equating me with Don Black. This is sarcasm, by the way, Mr. Saal, lest you quote me in full again. But yes, that particular flame should be taken with mines full of salt. And perhaps before you go calling people anti-semitic and inflammatory you should take a closer look. I'm honestly sorry that you were hurt by my flame to Bill. Here at Reed we have a thing called the Honor Principle, which governs community life. It says that anyone causing embarrassment or discomfiture to any other member of the community has violated the Honor Principle. Since you've been discomfited, I guess you could Honor Case me, if you were here. But here at Reed we rarely make accusations without getting all the facts. Monica
spector@acf4.UUCP (David HM Spector) (03/26/85)
I can't resist. Of course Anit-Semitism doesn't start when someone is trying to kill you. (In *MY* posting, I was trying to make a point..) But then again, this 'person' has a right to his/her/its opinion. G-d knows you'd be upset if someone started to dump on you for your religous views... I am not saying the one has to put up with others proselytizing either, but react rationally, not emotionally! That's part of being a Jew! Pardon me for sounding like a bigot, but if there's anything that sets us apart from the goyim its that as Jews we have a heritage of using our heads. I think you get my drift... David HM Spector NYU/acf Systems Group "These opinions are mine and (c)1985, All Rights Reserved! "
lydgate@reed.UUCP (Chris Lydgate) (03/26/85)
Sometimes people on the net get the wrong impression. Worse, sometimes they broadcast this misapprehension worldwide. Sadly, such is the case with Samuel and Monica. Samuel accuses Monica of anti-semitism, based solely on the following sentence: >> I think you should turn your >> efforts to salvation and perhaps to composing some catchy >> ditties about Moses or Abraham for prompt dumping in n.r.j. In article <894@eisx.UUCP> sms@eisx.UUCP (Samuel Saal) writes: >it is unabridged, unedited and fully inflammatory. Anti-semitism >does not begin when they are trying to kill you. I don't usually read this group, so I'm ignorant of any discussions you have had on this topic, but surely a definition of anti-semitism must include an *intention* on the part of the alleged anti-semite to advocate, foster, or practise discrimination on the basis of race. And surely, any accusation of anti-semitism must establish this intention to be valid. Further, since this kind of accusation can be very damaging in a personal, as well as professional, sense, it is my belief that no such accusation should be made without sufficient evidence of these intentions. As it happens, Monica is not anti-semitic in the slightest, as anyone who knows her will agree. Also, as it happens, she was in fact quoting someone else. In fact, the first sentence of her article ("I find your lack of faith disturbing.") is Darth Vader's line in Star Wars- and her keywords line was taken from the Bloom County "spelling bee" cartoon. Admittedly, Samuel wouldn't have known any of this, since he didn't ask Monica about her beliefs before he accused her of anti-semitism. Since his was a public accusation, I believe that he should have thought more carefully about the evidence on which he based his outrageous claim. If you read the sentence in question carefully, I think you will find that it only implies that the poster of the cheeses song would face similar flames if he had posted some silly "ditty" playing on some pun, in net.r.j. This statement, even taken alone + out of context, does not seem inflammatory to me. I hope that such accusations will be made more carefully in the future. -- chris lydgate c/o the information vortex !tektronix!reed!lydgate