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am@vilya.UUCP (MALEK) (07/10/85)

Boskovitch makes his point about certain ideas, but the following is very offensive:
>  1. The Roman procurator was as guilty as the Jewish leaders for His death!
>  2. Christ died willingly for His own people.
>  3. Christ died for the sins of mankind.
>  Conclusion:
>  1. Christians are christ-killers since our sins put him on the cross.
>  2. God is a christ-killer since Jesus said He was doing the Father's will.
>  3. All mankind are christ-killers since He died for our sins.

This is net.religion.jewish, so there should be no Christian theology here unless 
it is clearly represented as such. I would not post Jewish theology on your net.

According to the Jewish tradition (Sanhedrin Chapter VI), Yeshu was sentenced
to death by a proper Jewish court acting in accordance with the halacha. So
we are not offended by people saying that Jews killed Yeshu, we are offended
by those who use that as a pretext for anti-semitism.

It would be rather difficult to find the protocols of that court and determine
whether or not the trial was proper, but in any case the crucifiction which
was done by the Romans was against the Jewish tradition (which mandates a 
quick and less painful death) and against the ruling of the court mentioned
in the talmud.
			Avi Malek

P.S. Note that the talmudic passages mentioned were removed from many editions
by censors/apologists.
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rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (07/20/85)

> According to the Jewish tradition (Sanhedrin Chapter VI), Yeshu was sentenced
> to death by a proper Jewish court acting in accordance with the halacha. So
> we are not offended by people saying that Jews killed Yeshu, we are offended
> by those who use that as a pretext for anti-semitism.  [AVI MALEK]

Excuse me, but I'd say we have a right to be offended by the former.  A GROUP
of Jewish leaders may have had a stake in sentencing and later executing
Jesus, but that does NOT make "the Jews" (as a people) responsible.  Such
a notion that a whole group must be tarred for the action of a subset of its
members is abominable.

End of speech.
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"Because love grows where my Rosemary goes and nobody knows but me."
						Rich Rosen   pyuxd!rlr