[net.religion.jewish] Women's participation in shul

fox@ozone.DEC (10/01/85)

    Now that things have settled down in home, job, and life, I 
have resumed pursuing my interest with the role of women in Judaism, 
specifically in terms of spiritual needs.  So my eye was caught 
by a letter in _The_Jewish_Week_, written by Lifsa Schacter in 
response to a recent ruling by five Orthodox rabbis that women's 
prayer groups were not halachically valid.  I quote from the 
letter: 


   "My father came to this country in the early years of this 
century.  In the shtetl in which he grew up, his mother was one 
of the very few women literate in Hebrew.  She was known as a 
'_zugger-ke_'.
     "In the shtetl synagogue, on the other side of the partition 
separating the men from the women, she would follow the service 
and say it aloud (_zug_) so that the other women could 
participate and respond.  My father told me that the women would 
press so close that she would sometimes faint.  A barrel-type 
contrivance with a seat in it was constructed for her to prevent 
this from happening.  A professor of Talmud recently told me that 
he saw such structures in synagogues in Eastern Europe.  He had 
not been able to figure out their purpose until he heard the 
story of my grandmother."

     Ms Schacter goes on to say that this vignette

     "...casts a different light on the legitimacy of women 
seeking forums for participating in public prayer services.  
Contrary to the claim of the five rabbis, the inability of the 
traditional male service to satisfy the spiritual needs of Jewish 
women is not a new phenomenon that developed only in response to 
the women's liberation movement of our times.
     "When I think of my grandmother and the women who pressed 
around her I am overwhelmed by the spiritual greatness that made 
it possible for them to continue to try to find ways of 
participating in aspects of our tradition that ignored them and 
their needs.  I believe that women who today organize and 
participate in women's _tfilla_ groups and egalitarian services 
are the spiritual descendants of the 'zugger-kes' and their 
coteries."

    I have become part of a (small) mailing list (USPS,not 
electronic) of women who are seeking to find new ways to meet the 
spiritual needs of Jewish women.  We are a diverse group, 
interested in developing prayers and ceremonies within the 
tradition (for example, shedding light on the Rosh Chodesh, a 
traditional, and in this country, ignored, half holiday for 
women), and to expand on it, or create new traditions.

    I would be interested in a discussion with other Jewish women 
about these subjects, either on the net, or through personnel 
correspondence.  I'm including my U.S. address for those who are not 
"connected" to the net.world (please pass this on).  I'd also be 
happy to send a copy of the full text of Ms. Schacter's letter 
(preferably electronically) to individuals who request it.

  B'shalom,

	Bobbi

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mam@primesun.uucp (10/13/85)

There is a short paragraph concerning the law with respect to women's prayer
in the new ART SCROLL SIDDUR.  It quotes several opinions which range from
-- women should pray once a day with any words that they desire to use -- to
-- women should pray almost the same things a man does --.  These are not exact quotes and may be slightly inacurrate.  

I have known the wife of a chasidic rebbe who prayed almost if not all that the
men did.  She was also an expert in customs and often said Tehillim (Psalms).

There could be a women's minyan but the law does not sanction a mixed minyan.

I have not read the law (Halacha) on this but I am told that a woman can put on
Tephillin (Phylacteries) but that if she undertakes to do so, she must continue
and may not then arbitrarily change her mind or do so only irregularly.  A 
competent (Halachalically knowledgeable) rabbi should be consulted on this as 
well as the other questions raised.

Many women form study groups and there are many learned women today as well as 
schools which teach all levels of Jewish subjects.

It is not necessary for any woman to feel spritually deprived.  There are many
opportunities to raise ones spiritual level for anyone who sincerely wish do
do so.  Find other likeminded people. Start a study group.  There are many many
books in English, Hebrew and both which are inspiring and informative.

Moshe Meer
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mls@ittvax.ATC.ITT.UUCP (Michael Schneider) (10/21/85)

I know of only one question asked regarding a woman performing an action
associated with men: saying Kaddish. The wife of a friend of mine (who is
an Orthodox Rabbi with smicha from the Rav) asked if she would be permitted
to say the Kaddish for the 11 months following the death of her father (there
were no sons).  The answer was yes.  But it must be done at the same time as 
a valid minyon davened and she should do it three times a day, as is required
by a man.  She did. 

To some extent, this points out some of the problems that can arise with 
women participation.  They must assume ALL the obligations associated 
with the act they wish to perform.  If, for example, a woman wished to
be counted as part of a minyon, then should she not be required to perform
all the mitzvot associated with this action?  I expect someone will say
"but not all men pray three times a day."  Yet, a man  does not voluntarily
choose to take upon himself this obligation; in this case a woman does.  I 
am unable to state the halacha regarding a woman's minyon.  But, from what
I have seen and heard, it appears to occur only on Shabbat.  Note in the
situation of a woman saying the Kaddish, it was not only on Shabbat, but for
the full period required of a man.  I sometimes wonder if women realize
the obligations they wish to take on.

Michael L. Schneider

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