abeles@mhuxi.UUCP (Joe Abeles (Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ)) (10/18/85)
> > As a postscript to this, I would like to bring up the recent psak > > halacha decided on by Rev Moshe Feinstein and the North American > > Rabbinate (all males, of course) regarding the ban on husbands > > accompanying their wives into birthing rooms. ... > Where did you see this BS about what R. Moshe Feinstein said? > I read an article in the Jewish Press which quoted him as publishing in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <--- GIVE US A BREAK! > Igrot Moshe that it is proper for a husband to be present at the delivery > time. I also checked things out with the Feinstein family and found that > Rav Moshe's grandson was present at the birth of his own child. The Jewish Press is the biggest embarrassment to the American Orthodox Jewish Community that could be imagined by an anti-semite. One can't believe anything written there--but in order to not believe it, first you have to try and understand it. That isn't too easy 'cause the writers can't speak English, and the typographers are on LSD (yes, I really think so!). My suggestion to anyone reading this is that they stop reading The Jewish Press (if they do), otherwise their brain may begin playing tricks on them and their command of English may deteriorate. The Jewish Week is also published in New York and is one of the best Jewish newspapers in the world. If you want something with a more religious slant, I suggest reading either the Algemeiner Zhurnal (in Yiddish), the Talmud (in Aramaic), or the Prophets (in Hebrew). Particularly this last one, because it will tell you more about current events than The Jewish Press ever will. You read it here first! --J. Abeles
slerner@sesame.UUCP (Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner) (10/20/85)
Two responces: one on being at birth, other on jewish press: > > > > As a postscript to this, I would like to bring up the recent psak > > > halacha decided on by Rev Moshe Feinstein and the North American > > > Rabbinate (all males, of course) regarding the ban on husbands > > > accompanying their wives into birthing rooms. ... > > > Where did you see this BS about what R. Moshe Feinstein said? All I can say is that in Lubovitch (we are not known for taking liberal/ modern views) the Rabbis who teach classes for chosen/callah (groom/bride) teach that it is OK to be at the birth *IF*: 1. Husband does NOT touch wife (since she is niddah) 2. He must stand where he can not see anything uncovered that he shouldn't see when wife is niddah. While it gets harder to be there in person as your family grows (did you ever try and get a babysitter at 3AM?), many Lubovitchers attend. OK...Second topic: > > The Jewish Press is the biggest embarrassment to the American Orthodox > Jewish Community that could be imagined by an anti-semite. One can't > believe anything written there--but in order to not believe it, first > you have to try and understand it. That isn't too easy 'cause the > writers can't speak English, and the typographers are on LSD (yes, I > really think so!). My suggestion to anyone reading this is that they > stop reading The Jewish Press (if they do), otherwise their brain may > begin playing tricks on them and their command of English may deteriorate. I must agree about the paper not being believable at all. About 9 years ago, in Atlanta, there was a discussion amoung various Rabbis about the jewish press. One group said that you could not take a J.P. into the bathroom or throw it out with garbage because it contains torah (in several of the articles). The other group said the if you were to read the JP you MUST read it in the bathroom (as otherwise it was bitul zman (wasting time from true study)) and that the best use for it was to wrap the garbage! [As in everything on this net, consult your local orthodox rabbi for a final p'sak halacha :-) ] peace.. -- Opinions expressed are public domain, and do not belong to Lotus Development Corp. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner {genrad|ihnp4|ima}!wjh12!talcott!sesame!slerner {cbosgd|harvard}!talcott!sesame!slerner talcott!sesame!slerner@harvard.ARPA
teitz@aecom.UUCP (Eliyahu Teitz) (10/22/85)
If you thought you could slip the minor change in the heading you were wrong. Whatever anyone thinks about orthodox Jews and their beliefs there is no need to belittle a person who has amassed more knowledge than you in a given field. Calling Rabbi ( or Rav, as you prefer ) Feinstein Mr. is a disgrace. He is an expert in his field. More of an expert in his than than anyone here is in their's so he deserves the respect of all who post, religious and anti religious alike. Shame on the person who changed the heading. Eliyahu Teitz.
abeles@mhuxm.UUCP (J. Abeles (Bellcore, Murray Hill, NJ)) (10/24/85)
> > If you thought you could slip the minor change in the heading you > were wrong. Whatever anyone thinks about orthodox Jews and their beliefs > there is no need to belittle a person who has amassed more knowledge than > you in a given field. Calling Rabbi ( or Rav, as you prefer ) Feinstein > Mr. is a disgrace. He is an expert in his field. More of an expert in his than > than anyone here is in their's so he deserves the respect of all who post, > religious and anti religious alike. Shame on the person who changed the > heading. > > > Eliyahu Teitz. It is not clear to me that Rabbi Feinstein is a more distinguished expert in his field than certain of the readers of this network are in theirs. In addition, it is also unproven (by its very nature) that the body of knowledge in which Feinstein is an expert is based on revelation at Mount Sinai. This is not meant to degrade Judaism, but just to point out that Judaism is not based on any rational foundation. (There is also no scientific evidence that G-d does not exist.) By comparison, some of the scientists on this network are experts in fields which have, if nothing else, made it possible for you to sit there reading the news rather than hovelling in the cold night around a dismal campfire. --J. Abeles