[net.religion.jewish] English Translation of the Talmud?

minow@decvax.UUCP (Martin Minow) (11/26/85)

Has the Talmud (Mishnah, Gemara, etc.) been translated into English
(along with enough additional information to make it understandable
to someone not well-versed in Jewish theology?)

Yes, I'm aware that my request is akin to, say, "Brain-surgury
made simple" or "Calculus in five easy lessons", so no flames on
that score.

While I'm curious for myself (a brief look in a local bookstore
turned up nothing), this note was prompted by a similar question
by Don Black (8-Aug-1985) who stated that his only source for
Talmudic questions has been "so-called 'hate-literature'" and
that he "asked a book dealer a year ago to find [him] one.
[He's] still waiting."

Martin Minow
decvax!minow

rib@arrow.UUCP (RI Block) (11/27/85)

There have been a few translations of a least parts
of the Talmud into English.  Of these, the Soncino
translation in its various legitimate and pirate
editions is the only complete translation
still available. The various editions are available
from many outlets in Jewish neighborhoods
(i.e. Brookline (Boston), Fairfax (LA), etc.).

However, I'm afraid that you will find a great deal
of difficulty in understanding Talmud simply by reading
this translation in the same way that you would have difficulty
in understanding Electrical Engineering simply by reading
an EE Handbook.

There are readable works which cover (very selected) portions
of Mishna and Talmud: Adin Steinsalz "The Essential Talmud"
comes to mind.

mr@homxb.UUCP (M.RINDSBERG) (11/28/85)

> Has the Talmud (Mishnah, Gemara, etc.) been translated into English
> (along with enough additional information to make it understandable
> to someone not well-versed in Jewish theology?)
> 
> Yes, I'm aware that my request is akin to, say, "Brain-surgury
> made simple" or "Calculus in five easy lessons", so no flames on
> that score.
> 
> While I'm curious for myself (a brief look in a local bookstore
> turned up nothing), this note was prompted by a similar question
> by Don Black (8-Aug-1985) who stated that his only source for
> Talmudic questions has been "so-called 'hate-literature'" and
> that he "asked a book dealer a year ago to find [him] one.
> [He's] still waiting."
> Martin Minow
> decvax!minow

YES. The Talmud has been translated into english.
BUT if one is not well versed in the ideas of Judaism then portions
will present certain problems in understanding.

It is called:

	Hebrew-English Edition of the Babylonian Talmud

Published by:

	Traditional Press, New York, NY

Mark

ellis@zeus.UUCP (Ellis Cohen) (11/29/85)

> Has the Talmud (Mishnah, Gemara, etc.) been translated into English
> (along with enough additional information to make it understandable
> to someone not well-versed in Jewish theology?)

Other than the Soncino edition(s), I know of no translation into English
of the *entire* Talmud.  However, I know of two translations of parts of
the Talmud, each of which is excellent:

(1) The "El Am" Talmud, with English Translation and Commentary.  It starts
from the ground up and includes extensive explanations of Talmudic discussion
forms and vocabulary.  For example, the first chapter of "Berakhoth"
(Benedictions) runs some 26 pages in the standard Hebrew-language editions
of the Talmud -- but is covered (*very* readably) on 278 pages in the El Am
edition.

The only drawback is that it exists only for a very small subset of the books
making up the Talmud.  As far as I know, the complete set runs some 6 volumes.

The editor of this series is Rabbi Dr. A. Zvi Ehrman, and the copy I'm looking
at was [re- ??] published in 1982.  Any good Jewish bookstore should be able
to get a copy.

(2) The ArtScroll Mishnah Series, published by
        Mesorah Publications, Ltd.
        1969 Coney Island Avenue
        Brooklyn, NY 11223
includes a good portion of the Talmud by now (and they're continually adding
to the series -- right now, at least 9 volumes are currently in print).

This Series assumes a greater familiarity with Talmudic concepts than does the
El Am (it explains fewer of the underlying assumptions and terms) -- but
Mesorah has published an *excellent* English-language reference work.

                                Ellis Cohen

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