lazarus@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Andrew J &) (11/17/85)
In article <411@houem.UUCP> niko@houem.UUCP (N.TSOLAS) writes: > >I have met some and I heard that in Israel there is a minority >of Israelis who sympathize with them [Palestinians]. But the government's >official policy for solving the Palestinian problem is by >extermination.( Don't tell me about the people who live in the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >West Bank. It is a matter of time for them to leave their homes) Even assuming that Mr. Tsolas is correct, in the English language requiring people to leave their homes in *not* extermination. (The premise is also open to question, since this is an overt policy of only 1 member of the Israeli parliament, Meir Kahane, a real sicko. I must admit, however, that the Likud party has been distressing cavalier towards the property owners of the West Bank.) andy
niko@houem.UUCP (N.TSOLAS) (11/19/85)
>Even assuming that Mr. Tsolas is correct, in the English language >requiring people to leave their homes in *not* extermination. True, but forcible exile leads to extermination. In addition, Palestineans are not only exiled but also they are hunted by Arabs as well. And I am comming again in my original question. "What would you, or anybody else, do in their situation?"
lazarus@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Andrew J &) (11/25/85)
In article <416@houem.UUCP> niko@houem.UUCP (N.TSOLAS) writes: > > >>Even assuming that Mr. Tsolas is correct, in the English language >>requiring people to leave their homes in *not* extermination. > >True, but forcible exile leads to extermination. The Jews are themselves evidence that this is not true. andy
tim@k.cs.cmu.edu (Tim Maroney) (11/29/85)
> >>Even assuming that Mr. Tsolas is correct, in the English language > >>requiring people to leave their homes in *not* extermination. > > > >True, but forcible exile leads to extermination. > > The Jews are themselves evidence that this is not true. Are we talking about the same Jews? I would say that Jewish history, particularly in this century, furnishes a great deal of evidence that exile DOES lead to extermination attempts. However, even if it were not so, the Jews have suffered greatly from repeated exiles, and the history of Judaism demonstrates graphically the horror of forced migration. Can you really repeat this process for your enemies in good conscience? -=- Tim Maroney, Electronic Village Idiot, CMU Center for Art and Technology tim@k.cs.cmu.edu | uucp: {seismo,decwrl,ucbvax,etc.}!k.cs.cmu.edu!tim CompuServe: 74176,1360 | CMU. Tomorrow's networking nightmares -- today!
warren@pluto.UUCP (Warren Burstein) (12/03/85)
In article <683@k.cs.cmu.edu>, tim@k.cs.cmu.edu (Tim Maroney) writes: >4 Even assuming that Mr. Tsolas is correct, in the English language >4 requiring people to leave their homes in *not* extermination. >3 True, but forcible exile leads to extermination. >2 The Jews are themselves evidence that this is not true. > Are we talking about the same Jews? I would say that Jewish history, > particularly in this century, furnishes a great deal of evidence that exile > DOES lead to extermination attempts. However, even if it were not so, the > Jews have suffered greatly from repeated exiles, and the history of Judaism > demonstrates graphically the horror of forced migration. Can you really > repeat this process for your enemies in good conscience? The objection to Tsolas was that he said that the policy of Israel was to exterminate the Arabs in territories under its control. He brought as evidence that Israel plans to expel them. There were two objections: 1) There is a world of difference between exile and genocide. 2) The government of Israel supports neither.
lazarus@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Andrew J &) (12/04/85)
In article <683@k.cs.cmu.edu> tim@k.cs.cmu.edu (Tim Maroney) writes: >> >>Even assuming that Mr. Tsolas is correct, in the English language >> >>requiring people to leave their homes in *not* extermination. >> > >> >True, but forcible exile leads to extermination. >> >> The Jews are themselves evidence that this is not true. > >Are we talking about the same Jews? I would say that Jewish history, >particularly in this century, furnishes a great deal of evidence that exile >DOES lead to extermination attempts. However, even if it were not so, the >Jews have suffered greatly from repeated exiles, and the history of Judaism >demonstrates graphically the horror of forced migration. Can you really >repeat this process for your enemies in good conscience? >-=- The answer to the last question is NO (see my other postings). However, even with respect to the Jews, the people doing the exiling were not always bent on extermination. I just wanted to make clear that the two are not equivalent concepts and that it is possible to suffer one without the other. In view of the Palestinians' close ties to other, large ethnic groups, I would say that the only way they could be exterminated is by global nuclear war. andy
buchbind@agrigene.UUCP (12/04/85)
> >>Even assuming that Mr. Tsolas is correct, in the English language > >>requiring people to leave their homes in *not* extermination. > > > >True, but forcible exile leads to extermination. No, it leads to loss of identity, not extermination (i.e. biological death or lack of reproduction). > The Jews are themselves evidence that this is not true. The Jews are an 'exception that proves the rule'. We show that it is possible but unlikely. (And what happened to the exiled inhabitants of the Northern Kingdom? Their descendant have been 'swallowed by history, though those that were not exiled [the Samaritans] still exist.) -- Barry Buchbinder (608)221-5000 Agrigenetics Corp.; 5649 E. Buckeye Rd.; Madison WI 53716 USA {seismo!uwvax!|decvax|ihnp4}!nicmad!agrigene!buchbind