[net.religion.jewish] Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism

john@cisden.UUCP (John Woolley) (11/28/85)

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	It would seem to me that to equate anti-Zionism (even the extreme
kind that actually advocates the dismantling or destruction of the State of
Israel) with anti-Semitism is incorrect.  I can think of at least two ways
in which a desire for the destruction of a government is entirely compatible
with a love and respect for the nation and people:
	First, consider the situation of a Russian patriot today.  He most
likely would welcome the destruction of the State, and that *because* of his
patriotism.  The same applies, I would think, to anyone who denies the 
legitimacy of the current government of his country.  Are any anti-Zionists
of this sort?
	Second, a person might think that the existence of the State was
destructive of the real good of the people.  For instance, it wouldn't be 
inconsistent for me, a Catholic, to advocate the dissolution of the Vatican
City, if I thought that the existence of the Vatican as an independent State
was harmful to Catholicism.  I think most non-Zionist Jews fit into this
category.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  
-- 
				Peace and Good!,
				    (Fr.) John Woolley
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erigere debent et movere ad laetitiam spiritualem?" -- S. Franciscus

abeles@mhuxm.UUCP (J. Abeles (Bellcore, Murray Hill, NJ)) (12/06/85)

> 	First, consider the situation of a Russian patriot today.  He most
> likely would welcome the destruction of the State, and that *because* of his
> patriotism.  The same applies, I would think, to anyone who denies the 
> legitimacy of the current government of his country.  Are any anti-Zionists
> of this sort?
Zionism is not the advocacy of a State, it is the advocacy of a homeland
for Jews in Palestine, so challenging the particular government in power
in Israel is not anti-Zionism...
> 	Second, a person might think that the existence of the State was
> destructive of the real good of the people.  For instance, it wouldn't be 
> inconsistent for me, a Catholic, to advocate the dissolution of the Vatican
> City, if I thought that the existence of the Vatican as an independent State
> was harmful to Catholicism.  I think most non-Zionist Jews fit into this
> category.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  
Again, Zionism advocates the existence of a homeland for Jews, and is
not related to the form of or even existence of a government there.
Practically speaking, however, the government appears to be necessary,
and if the Jews in question want there to be a government, they would
appear to be defended in this aspiration by Zionism (because the essence
of Zionism is that there be a homeland for the Jews in which they be free
to organize however they feel appropriate).