[net.religion.jewish] Arab Psyche???? How about the Dutch?

oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) (12/09/85)

    I object to the term "Arab psyche" because, like any other  form  of
bigotry,  it  reduces  people to equivalence classes.  These classes are
too crudely and falsely granular to be useful  for  anything.   I  would
insult my own intelligence and ability to evaluate data if I filtered my
inputs that way.
    Mr.  Chedley  Aouriri's  questioning  "Jewish allegiance" is another
example of such grotesque generalization.

    However, it is perhaps fair to characterize certain governments  (in
this  case  Arab ones) for characteristic qualities.  The Syrian example
[girls biting snakes, people killing dogs] seems to me typical  of  that
government's  cruelty  and  propensity  to  rule by lies and manipulated
hysteria.  I can look to the massacre at  Hama  and  the  unconscionable
squeeze  put  on Arafat's PLO for further examples, and feel comfortable
labeling the Syrian government as I have.  [Corrections invited.]

    But  note  -  even general truths about a society or a government do
not say anything about individuals from said society or  government.   I
know several Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians and Egyptians as individual
humans:  ANYTHING I think of their government or their  society  has  no
necessary application to them as individuals.

    I THINK I CAN LIVE with that distinction, and will even recommend it
to others, including people as diverse as Messrs. Martillo, Aouriri, and
Velu Sinha.

    By the way, I also feel that distinguishing  one's  feelings  toward
groups  and  individuals permits me to sidestep certain controversies in
related fields.   For  example,  who  gives  a  damn  whether  Shockley,
Herrnstein et alii are right about Blacks averaging N points lower on IQ
tests?  Such norms say nothing about individuals, and I'd be a  fool  to
treat  a new Black acquaintance as anything but herself, no?  [Do not be
misled into thinking I have any respect for IQ scores as  a  measure  of
anything.]

    Flames invited - my mailbox is lonely.
-- 

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gottlieb@alliant.UUCP (Bob Gottlieb) (12/17/85)

In article <13@mit-vax.UUCP> oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) writes:
>    However, it is perhaps fair to characterize certain governments  (in
>this  case  Arab ones) for characteristic qualities.  The Syrian example
>[girls biting snakes, people killing dogs] seems to me typical  of  that
>government's  cruelty  and  propensity  to  rule by lies and manipulated
>hysteria.

In the words of some Science Fiction writer (Gordy Dickson, I believe),
"People get the kind of government they deserve". I feel that this is
true. The broader statement: "People get the kind of government they want"
may be true at the subconscious level, anyway.

>    But  note  -  even general truths about a society or a government do
>not say anything about individuals from said society or  government.

I agree, as far as INDIVIDUALS are concerned. My previous statement is
meant to apply to societies/governments, not to individuals.

					-- Bob Gottlieb
UUCP: ...!linus!alliant!gottlieb
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