daemon@ucbvax.UUCP (06/10/84)
From: Christos Nikolaou <NIKOLAU.YKTVMV%ibm-sj.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa> Sth suzhthsh gia thn "organwsh" pou arxise o pavlos kai sunexisan arketoi alloi nomizw oti osa eipe o manwlis einai ta pio logika; se prohgoumena mhnuma mou sunesthsa "regional representatives". O monos logos pou to eipa einai gia na elafrwsh kapws h douleia tou Yanni Ioannidh sto Berkeley, idiws otan oi listes twn summetexontwn ginoun fobera megales, opete einai fusiko na uparxei kapoia gewgrafikh katanomh euthunhs. Kata ta alla eimai uper tou apolutou minimum organwshs, kai anoigmatos tou diktuou s'opoiondhpote Ellhna h Ellhnida exoun prosbash sto CSNET adiaforo an h douleia tous sxetizetai me thn plhroforikh h oxi. Pros Theou oxi elitismos! Programmata-filtra mporoun panta na xrhsimepsoun sto otan arxisoume na katakluzomaste apo mhnumata kai theloume na kopsoume to junk-mail; Pou xerete: mporei kapoios na thelhsh na grapsei kapoio "expert system" pou na krata mono ta shmantika mhnumata kai na petaei ola ta alla! Twra kati allo polu shmantiko gi'autous pou exoun problhma stratou: Sas stelnw to parakatw keimeno, apo ton Dhmhtrh Mono, filo biologo apo thn Washington opou douleuei sto National Institute of Health(NIH) Thelei na mazepsei oso ginetai pio polla onomata endiaferomenwn kai na steilei to keimeno ston Papandreou. Nomizw einai sxetika kalogrammeno kai egw to uposthrizw kat'arxh. Thathela omws mia safesterh diatupwsh tou ti htan to nomosxedio tou Fwthla, kai tou ti zhtame emeis. Steilte mou sxolia, dhlwsh endiaferontos, allages sto keimeno, klp. to grhgorotero dunato. Christos ----------------------------------------------------------------- Axiotimo Prwthupourgo k. A. Papandreou Megaro Maximou Athina Axiotime k. Prwthupourge, H epistolh auth skopo exei na ekfrasei thn anhsuxia mias omadas Ellhnwn episthmonwn tou exwterikou gia ton tropo pou exelissontai themata pou exoun sxesh me thn upoxrewsh tous na uphrethsoun ston Ellhniko Strato kai na zhthsei th mesolabhsh sas gia ton diakanonismo nomothesias pou tous afora. Prosfata to Yfupourgeio Apodhmou Ellhnismou eishghthike thetikh gia ton topo mas protash sxetikh me ton tropo pou episthmones apo to exwteriko tha uphretoun ston Ellhniko strato, alla dustuxws h prowthish tou sunanta duskolies apo kubernhtikes diadikasies kai ekproswpous. Mia tetoia antithesh mas lupei, an labei kaneis up'opsh tou to periexomeno tou proteinomenou nomosxediou, kai pisteuoume oti h kubernhsh tha prepei na proxwrhsh sthn uposthrixh kai efarmogh tou. Oloi oi episthmones pou efugan kai feugoun sto exwteriko gia na sunexisoun tis spoudes h tis ereunes tous gnwrizete polu kala, to ekanan h to kanoun apo anagkh. Polu tha thelame na epityxoume ton idio bathmo katarthshs sto topo mas, alla auto dustuxws einai adunato. Par' olo pou oloi shmera exoume axiologes theseis se Panepisthmia h Institouta, oi perissoteroi apo emas elpizoun oti kapote tha mporesoume na epistrepsoume kai na prosferoume sthn patrida mas. Shmera me tis prospatheies ths dikhs sas kubernhshs gia merikous apo emas exoun hdh dhmiourghthei wrismenes proupotheseis epistrofhs. Merikoi exoun hdh eklegei se Panepisthmia kai alloi se ereunhtika kentra. Prin omws analaboume autes tis theseis wfeiloume na taktopoihsoume th stratologikh mas katastash. Auto einai isodunamo me dieth apomakrunsh apo to xwro ths episthmhs se mia hlikia toso krisimh gia mas pou anamfibola blaptei thn exelixh mas kai parallhla den axiopoioumetha paragwgika mia kai den prosferoume stis diafores Ellhnikes uphresies o, ti epi tosa xronia ekpaideuomaste na kanoume swsta. Me ton sunexws auxanomeno arithmo newn Ellhnwn episthmonwn pou feugoun sto exwteriko kai meta theloun na epistrepsoun, einai anagkh na lhfthoun sobara up'opsh ta problhmata pou antimetwpizoun kai katallhlh nomothesia na eisaxthei gia thn dieukolunsh tous. Ep' autou thewroume thn eishghsh tou Yfupourgeiou Apodhmou Ellhnismou exairetikh. An labei kaneis up' opsh tou thn hdh uparxousa nomothesia pou epitrepei stous perissoterous apo emas na exoume anabolh aoristou xronou h na apallasomaste entelws apo tis stratiwtikes mas upoxrewseis, suntrexontwn wrismenwn logwn, kai thn dhmiourgia oikogeneiakwn kai epaggelmatikwn upoxrewsewn pou einai anapofeukth, oi pithanothtes epistrofhs sthn Ellada ginontai elaxistes se antithesh me tis pithanothtes paramonhs mas sto exwteriko. Auto pera apo kathe amfibolia den einai pros to sumferon oute to diko mas oute ths patridas mas. Sto epixeirhma oti eisagwgh mias tetoias nomothesias apotelei pronomiakh metaxeirhsh wrismenwn, apantoume ws exhs: h hdh uparxousa nomothesia den kanei tetoiou eidous diakriseis me tis anaboles kai apallages? Otan ginontai eidikoi anepishmoi diakanonismoi metaxu twn dioikhtwn twn diaforwn monadwn kai twn episthmonwn pou theloun na einai konta sta Panepisthmia h twn podosfairistwn pou prin teleiwsoun th basikh tous ekpaideush pairnoun adeies, auto den einai pronomiakh metaxeirhsh? Apo pou arxizei h pronomiakh metaxeirish kai pou teleiwnei? Den pisteuoume oti h axiopoihsh tou empsuxou ulikou pou diathetei h patrida mas einai aformh gia diakriseis. Perimenoume oti to olo thema tha antimetwpisthei me kapoia euruthta pneumatos kai tha ikanopoiei to basiko mas aithma na epistrepsoume sthn patrida mas. H kubernhsh sas exei hdh deixei th kalh diathesh na bohthhsh tous neous kai thn exelixh tous kai theloume na pisteuoume oti tha parameinei tou idiou pneumatos. Me ektimhsh, KOIN: Yfupourgeio Apodhmou Ellhnismou Sunhmmena: Katalogos endiaferomenwn
daemon@ucbvax.UUCP (06/10/84)
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