timos@ucbingres (08/03/84)
From: timos@ucbingres (Timos Sellis)
Synadelfoi,
Leipontas stin Ellada gia dyo mhnes echasa tin eukairia na
eimai mesa se mia syzitisi pou eiche poly endiaferon kai prosfere
(kata tin diki mou gnwmi) polla s'auto pou onomazoume "diktyo",
"omada Ellinwn Epistimonwn Pliroforikis Amerikhs" h opoiodhpote allo
onoma mporei na dwsei kapoios. Epistrefontas kai vriskontas ena
megalo arithmo mynhmatwn mou fanhke oti pragmati eichame archisei
na mpainoume se mia fash pou itan poly endiaferousa. Prwta apo ola
giati epitelous akougomastan oloi, syzytousame gia pragmata pou
poly kairo o kathenas ithele na thixei kai isws den euriske ton
katallhlo chwro. Meta akougontousan kai idees pou sigoura den tha
thelame na meinoun mesa se mia mikrh omada anthrwpwn alla na pane
pio exw.
Tha ithela na mou epitrepsete na kanw mia mikrh kritikh panw
sta themata auta (estw kai kathysterhmena) kai synama na kanw kapoies
protaseis gia syzitisi. To prwto thema pou tethike htan to thema tis
apodosis mias tautotitas se suto pou eimaste kai to ti epidiwkoume.
Sto prwto nomizw oti i apantisi dinetai kathimerina apo to diktyo
opou oi anthrwpoi pou symmetechoun den einai mono epistimones tis
Plhroforikhs alla kai allwn tomewn pou APLWS TYCHAINEI NA ECHOUN
LOGARIASMO SE YPOLOGISTH. Apo tin alli meria se kanenos synadelfou
gramma den eida na provalletai kati antitheto. Kai einai gia mena
poly anekto , kai isws aparaitito, na feroume konta mas kai anthrwpous
pou den echoun amesi prosvash se ypologistes alla mporoun arista mesa
apo mas na ekfrastoun kai keinoi. Etsi oi "topikoi managers" pou protei-
ne o Christos o Nikolaou erchontai na ikanopoihsoun dyo skopous : prwta
na mporesoume emeis na xeroume oti an chreiastoume kapoia pliroforia
gia technika themata kai mono (p.ch. pws mporw egw na epikoinwnhsw
me ton Pano sto Toronto pio grigora h pws allazw apo ARPA se CS-NET).
Deutera na mporesoume na organwnoume kai sygkentrwseis kata perioches
etsi wste na echoume kai auto pou den mas prosferei to diktyo, tin
proswpiki epafi pou kata tin gnwmi mou einai aparaititi.
Etsi oi apantiseis pou dothikan sta zitimata pou tethikan
nomizw pws einai oi parakatw :
E. Poios einai melos ;
A. Opoios Ellhnas epistimonas tou exwterikou epithymei na
ekfrasei kai na syzitisei themata pou ton endiaferoun
gyrw apo tin zwi tou sto exwteriko kai tin schesi tou
me tin Ellada.
E. Poia einai i kateuthinsi mas san "omadas" ;
A. "Theloume kai mpporoume na voithisoume stin anaptyxh tis
Elladas" (Pavlos Spirakis). Nomizw auti einai i mia mas
kateuthinsh. H allh einai kati pou ekfrastike mesa apo
ena mynhma tou Christou gia kapoio gramma kai pou den
katalava giati emeine sta "chartia". Dhladh, i anagki
mas na kanoume gnwsto se pollous foreis tis anagkes mas,
tis dynatotites mas kai ta diafora alla provlimata pou
mas apascholoun. Kai an merika paidia apo to MIT mas
thewroun "mia kasta pou epidiwkei tin apospash thesewn
stin Ellada" tote as proteinoun kati kalytero kai to
kyriwtero, as mpoun kai autoi mesa stin omada mas na
diatypwsoun kati diaforetiko (an yparchei).
E. Den organwnomaste kalytera ;
A. An auto shmainei oti mono etsi tha vgoume apo to steno
kai aproswpo chwro twn grammwn tilepikoinwnias, tote NAI
na systisoume omada epishma. Akoma an mono tote tha mas
dwsoun (pisteuete) shmasia , NAI kai pali. Epeidi omws
echoume to provlima tis apostasis (fysikis) metaxy mas
prepei na eimaste poly prosektikoi se mia tetoia pros-
patheia.
E. Ti to idiaitero echei i Plhroforikh ;
A. O Christos Papadimitriou nomizw pws ethese poly swsta
to thema se schesi me tin Ellada. Pantws mesa sti dikh
mas omada to oti eimaste (CS+EE) oi perissoteroi den
shmainei oti den mas endiaferoun zhthmata pou mporoun
na feroun Politikoi Mhchanikoi h Fysikoi. Para polla
einai ta koina provlimata kai mas dinetai ena meso
gia arketa pio amesi epikoinwnia. As to crhsimopoihsoume
loipon!
E. Poso eleutheri syzhtisi (thorybos !!) ;
A. Akoustikan diafora kai to thema eftase se perierges ekfraseis.
To thema apo oti fainetai einai ena : oti oloi symfwnoume
se kati san ki' auto pou eipe o Manwlis ("kovw oti mou
aresei") kai den tithetai thema poios den thelei na akouei
ti. Akomi fainetai gia allh mia fora poso aparaitito mas
einai auto to kanali giati apo syneleuseis tou EMP
eicha na dw tetoio kalo klima syzhtishs.
E. Kala, i Ellada endiaferetai gia mas ;
A. Isws. Den echei fanei akoma. Pantws to gramma tou Dionysh
apo tin Krhth kai to shmeiwma tou Lianh htan thetika shmeia.
Apo tin allh meria omws den nomizw oti monadiko
shmeio archis gia ton kathena mas einai auto. Fantazomai
oti to kanoume oi perissoteroi apo endiaferon kai ANAGKH
kai ochi gia na mas deixei endiaferon i Ellada. Aposkopoume
kai sto deutero giati an den to kanoume twra pou eimaste
60 (!) pote tha to kanoume, otan gyrizoume san monades
pisw kai pame apo agnwsto se agnwsto ; O Vassos nomizw to
eipe swsta. Den tha ypodeixoume se kanena, tha anaferoume
panw s'oti douleuoume gia na voithisoume opws pisteuoume.
Telos tha hthela na anaferw mia seira apo protaseis pou
akoustikan kata kairous.
(1) Dhmiourgia (atypwn) omadwn analoga me ta endiaferonta tous
me skopo tin enhmerwsh kai sygkentrwsi stoicheiwn gia ta
ereunhtika kai alla provlhmata tous. O synadelfos Vaggelis
Milios echei analavei na mazepsei merika stoicheia apo ton
kathena mas kai nomizw thaprepe na ton voithisoume s'auto.
Pithana themata se kathe omada einai :
- pws stekomaste ston Elladiko chwro
- pws mporoume na synergastoume gia na prosferoume
stin ekpaideush h diafora ereunhtika kentra stin Ellada
h akoma kai sto dhmosio
(2) Energopoihsh gia ta provlhmata pou apascholoun olous edw
- stratos
- synalagma (ypotrofies)
- .....
(3) Anaptyxh mias proswpikhs epafhs anamesa se atoma pou
epitrepoun oi apostaseis
Eidikwtera gia tin Plhroforikh
- plhroforikh ypanaptyxh stin Ellada
(vlepe grk-news #59 - Papadimitriou)
- schesh me Ekpaideutika Idrymata kai Ereunhtika Kentra
(programmata spoudwn, ereuna, klp)
- ellhnikh viomichania plhroforikhs
- ...........
Auta (ta kathysterhmena) gia tin wra. Auto to mynhma mporei na
" filtraristei " apo opoiodhpote thelhsei. An ochi tha katastrafei
se ena deutrolepto meta ... apo treis mhnes.
Geia chara sas kai kalo kalokairi
timos
(timos@berkeley)