spiros@GMR.CSNET (Spiros Triantafyllopoulus) (11/08/85)
-- Afto to gramma einai me aformh aftwn pou egrapse of filos Takis Mercouris (ihnp4!laidbak!tm). Pistevo oti i sizitisi exei genikotero endiaferon, giafto synexizo. > >Osov afora tov prosdiorismou swstou (patriwtikou) tropou >skepsns stnv epilogn ergasias, eimai katngornmatika >antithetos se kathe epembasn tou kratous stis proswpikes >epiloges tou politn; epembasns katavagkastikns n >psyxologikns. Teleia kai paula. Aytapodeikto. As thumnthoume >oti stis perissoteres periptwseis o patriwtismos (blepe >episns to triptyxo patris-thrnskeia-oikogeveia) eivai to >prokalymma gia kryfes epidiwkseis, kai to kat' eksoznv meso >prowthnsns avtidrastikwv stoxwv. H diatypwsn loipov tetoiwv >apopsewv, gia meva, eivai oxi movo lathos, alla kai >epikivdyvn. > O prosdiorismos enos tomea gia epaggelmaitiki apokatastasi stin Ellada vasizetai se Random Number Generator h se periptosh plousiwn gonewn sthn formula MAX(power(future_student),power(parent)), gia spoudes sto exwteriko mono. Diladi: an oi goneis einai pio peismatarides apo ton spoudasth, tote o spoudastis meletaei afto puo theloun oi goneis (i.e Civil Engineer, Law, etc) enw an o spoudastis exei tin efkairia epilogis spoudazei afto pou thelei aftos vasismenos se (synythws) lanthasmenes apopseis (i.e. marketing to opoio einai axrhsto) ei prosopiko endiaferon (H/Y, texnes, mousiki, klp). Kai stis dio periptwseis to kratos den exei kammia gnomi oute epemvasi. 180 moires antitheta, oi foitites twn Ellinikwn AEI xrisimopoioun ton Random Number Generator me tis Panelladikes, pali xwris kanena sigouro mellon (Apo Mhxanologos Biologos :-(). >Sumfwvw apolyta me tnv apopsn tou Xristou Papadimitriou oti >xreiazomaste perissotern ereyva stnv Ellada. Oxi giati arkei >gia va bgalei tnv Ellada apo to telma tns ypavaptyksns, oso >giati: > H prosfath istoria tis kivernisis tou PASOC vasismenis se oikonomika montela apo to MIT kai to Harvard kai to Yale (zhtaw sygnwmh apo tous pollous synadelfous twn panepistimiwn) exoun apotixei. Giati? Giati kanenas den exei katalavei oti kathe xwra (i ellada simperilamvanomeni) exei tis dikes tis anagges. Giati loipon na min kanoume prota erevna se tomeis amesou endiaferontos (i.e Economics, Management, etc) pou tha apodosoun kalytera anti na theloume Engineering kai Science? I Amerikaniki oikonomia exei prota thesei skopous kai meta erxetai h erevna na anaptyxei tin texnologia. Ti erevna mporoume na kanoume me 15% ypotimisi kai 20% plithorismo kathe xrono? > >H mimnsn san meso anaptyksns texvologias eivai kathierwmevn >praktikn. Poles kathysternmenes xwres pairvave apo mimnsn <tns texnologias stnv anaptyksn domwn pou eyvoun tnv aytovomn >paragwgn tns. To paradeigma tns Iapwvias eivai arketa >diafwtistiko oso kai avamfisbntnto. Kai alloi akolouthouv >tnv idia poreia, p.x. h Eurwpn. H Eurwpn prospathei na >apoktnsei texvologia sta robotics xrnsimopoiwntas kseves >patentes. Malista n Italia eixe tetoia epityxia poy eftase >apo kalypsn 30% tns eswterikns tous agoras to 1975 se 140% >to 1979. Gevikotera, n eurwph katafere na kseperasei tnv >amerikn se plnthusmo, alla kai se pososta efarmogns robots. > Akoma ena simeio opou suygkrinoume tin Ellada me alles VIOMIXANIKES xwres. Xwres opos i Italia I alles tis EOK einai kata ena megalo pososto Viomixanikes. I Ellada einai poly parapano vasismeni se agrotiki partagogi kai tourismo. Oso kai na oneirevomaste oti I ellada mas einai viomixaniki, posa Viomixanika proionta exagoume kai posa vaza me elies Kalamatas? Simfono apolita oti I ellada xreiazetei AMESH voitia se tomeis pou einai epeigontes: Oikoniomiki erevna kai meleti, me vasi ta ellinika dedomena kai oxi ta evropaika. Episis erevna pou tha axiopouei tous ysikous porous tis Patridas mas (georgia, tourismos, etc). Otan tetoioi tomeis kataferoun na kanoun tin ethniki mas oikonomia kalyterh, tote isws na einai i wra gia erevna kai efarmoges se allous tomeis px Science, Engineering... > >......Poios tha xrnmatadotnsei, poios tha >anaptyksei kai poios tha katanalwsei tnv ereyva stnv Ellada? >Oi perissoteres eyrwpaikes xwres stnrizontai stnv avaptyksn >me kivitnrio moxlo kapoio kratika epnreazomevo forea. > Dimosio, me ameso apotelesma tin meiwsh paragogikotitas, afksisi kostous kai eggyhmenh xrewkopia xwris tin tsepi tou Ellinikou Laou (Olympic Airways, klp) se oipiondipote forea, erevnas paragogis klp. > >Eva allo thema eivai to gramma tou Timou pavw stis >prooptikes epistrofns sth patrida, k.l.p. Oi apopseis tou >nomizw eivai gevika koives diapistwseis, omws n parakatw >paragrafos snkwvei polln syzntnsn (upogramisn dikn mou): > Afto to gramma to egrapsa egw. kai pistevw akradaxta oti einai swsto. > >> Kai vevaia h tyexnologia prepei na erthei stin Ellada. An den tin fero >> ego kai eseis, pios tha tin ferei? Omos, pragmatika xreiazomaste > ----------------------------- >> tin technologia? Skefthite na kanoume robotics stin ellada. 20% anergia >----------------- >> h/kai ypoapasholisi tora, yia skefthite me robots :-). Ena allo >> paradigma einai mihanografish. Oi xiliades dimosioi ipallhloi tha >> apolithoun kai stin thesi tous ena IBM 370/145 (always IBM, exei kai >> antiprosopeia stin Syggrou, kai service, kai 3278 terminals :-)) > >H apopsn aytn exei polles fores katarifthei istorika, >ksekivwvtas apo tn prwtn biomnxavikn epavastasn. H lysn dev >brisketai stnv aporripsn tns texvologias, alla stnv efarmogn >tns texvologias me tropo pou va elaxistopoinsei ta >problepomeva kaka. Kai av akoma dev efarmosoume kapoies >texvologikes lyseis (ystera apo koivwviko-texviko-oikovomikn >avalysn) dev mporoume va to dextoume sav dikaiologia gia va >mnv prospathnsoume va avaptyksoume tn texvologia mas. To >kostos apo mn texvologikn avaptyksn eivai terastio >OIKOVOMIKA, ETHNIKA, kai POLITISTIKA. > Symfonw oti kata tin diarkeia tis protis viomixanikis epanastasis den egine kati teteio. giati omos? Giati ipirxe peritwrio gia aporrofisi twn perrisevoumenwn ergatwn se tomeis opou ipirxe zitisi. Stin Elliniki Pragmatikotita, omos to thema den einai kai toso aplo. As parw paradigma apo tin katastasi edo sto Detroit. Me tin efarmogi Robots kai allis texnologias twra oi xiliades ergazomenei stin viomixania vlepoun tin douleia tous na xanetei. Ti mporoun na kanoun? enas tropos einai met-ekpaidefsi (retraining). Polles etairies stin perioxh mou kanoun metexpaidefsi se ergazomenous oste apo syggolites, efarmostes klp ginontai xeiristes Robots, klp. Afto omos DEN mporei na efarmostei stin Ellada giati kapoios tha to plirwsh. Oxi vevaia o ergazomenos; Alla tote pios? O ergodoths? POTE. Vlepete stin ellada oloi koitazoun to short-range planning mono xwris na exetazoun tis long-range efarmoges kai apotelesmata. Opote ti ginetai? Kai o ergazomenos tha xasei (anergos h upoapasxoloumenos) kai o ergodotis (ependisi se mixanimata pou upoxrisimopoiountai kai se meiwsh paragogikotitas). Tote oloi koitane to KRATOS (O TSEPH MAGNA). To apotelesma einai efkolo na to katalavete, kati san ta kentra tou OAED. > >xreiazetai. As mn ksexvame oti yparxouv pavw apo 150 >epistnmoves me metaptyxiakes spoudes stous H/Y pou ndn >douleyouv stnv Ellada (me katagrafn tns EPY to 1983). > Posoi H/Y yparxoun? >kata tnv pleiopsnfia tous ekavav strato, ergazovtai me tous >misthous tns Elladas, kai prosferouv kathnmeriva stnv >opoiadnpote proodo pou givetai. > Pali o stratos, i apodiksi ypikootitas (PROOF OF GREEK CITIZENSHIP RECQUIRED, PISTOPOIIOTIKO TYPOU B' PERI STRATIOTIKIS KATASTASEWS). Oso gia misthous, epimenw oti o idravlikos sto ipogeio vgazei pio polla apo pollous apo tous ellines epistimones. > >..... Eksallou zwvtas sto >ekswteriko, xavoume tnv Ellnvikn pragmatikotnta kai dev >dikaioumaste se ousiastikn kritikn tou Ellnvikou xwrou - >movo diapistwseis. Oi maxes kerdizovtai apo mesa. > H maxh exei xathei apo poli kero. Tha itan poly endiaferon na mathw posoi apo tous ellhnes twn H/Y stin ellada einai teliofitoi Mathimatikoi, fisikoi, klp pou min mporontes na vroun douleia (oute frontistiorio, kai #5,343 stin lista tou Ypourgeiou paidias gia proslipsi sto dimosio me 26,000 ton mina sto Kako Xwrio, Greece) ekanan ena grigoro master kai twra vgazoun tous misthous stin Ellada > > Takns Merkourns > !ihnp4!laidbak!tm > Spiros Triantafyllopoulos GM Research Labs, Warren,MI. CSNET: spiros@gmr