[net.misc] Creationism -- A recanting skeptic replies

g-rh@cca.UUCP (Richard Harter) (02/18/84)

	This is in way of reply to Byron Howes.  First of all, Byron,
I hope that this won't offend you, but boy are you gullible.  For the
record I am an atheist, and assess the credibility of creationism to be
on a par with Velikovsky, Daniel Home, and the tooth fairy.  Also
for the record I have read Kitchner, the Origin of Species (honest!),
and a large number of other works on evolution, origins, artificial
intelligence, and philosophy.  Kitchner's book, incidentally,
disappointed me.  I felt it ran too much to muckraking and was far
too diffuse.

	However, the points that I made in the article are all
more or less valid.  For example, there are no known significant
transitional forms between the dinosaurs and the birds.  Archaeopteryx
is pretty clearly a feathered reptile; it could never have flown.
There is a distinct possiblity that it is not in the line of
descent of birds at all -- merely an interesting precursor in a
line that died out.

	For an interesting and quite readable analysis of the
problems of assessing the likelihood of abiogenesis, see Crick's
"Life Itself".  As he points out, there is no way, given the
current level of knowledge, to assign a meaningful probability
for Abiogenesis.

	Evolution must, of necessity, work by accretion.  There
are, however, some real problems with the evolutionary schema.
Principally these are a consequence of the fact that we don't
know very much.  Remember that a single cell is a system rather
more complicated than any modern operating system and that a
multicellular organism consists of trillions of cells also
organized in a bewildering complex system.  Suspose a single
gene mutates so that it produces a slightly different protein.
We are not able to say if the impact will be beneficial,
deleterious, indifferent, or indeed, what they impact will
be at all.  (Except in rare cases.)  As a consequence of our
level of ignorance, we do not know what the possible options
are for the evolutionary process, i.e. we do not know what
increments are potentially available.

	Another kind of ignorance is that we know almost
nothing of the internal physiology of deceased lifeforms.
Were the dinosaurs warm-blooded?  The current view seems
to be that most of them stabilised temperatures with thermal
inertia; a minority view holds that they used active biological
mechanisms for temperature stabilization.  What do we know
of the glands, the organs, the circulatory systems, the
hormonal systems of deceased species?  Virtually nothing.
What do we know about the possible evolution of internal
physiology?  Even less.

	The fundamental point here is that not all transitions
are possible.  There are adaptive limitations -- all of the
transitional forms must survive.  There are also biochemical
limitations -- it must be possible for the postulated changes
to occur.  We understand virtually nothing of the latter
limitations and damned little of the former.  Furthermore,
we do not know enough to know whether the limitations matter.
For computer types, look at this way:  in assembly language
there are usually many ways to skin a cat.  If a particular
desired instruction is not available, there is usually some
equivalent sequence of instructions.  In such case, the
limitations (the actual instruction set available) doesn't
matter much.  On the other hand, the transition from one
architecture to another may be effectively impossible.
(Provide an evolutionary sequence from OS to UNIX!).

	In actual fact the postulated evolutionary history of life
deals with only a small percentage of life, deals only with
selected features, and relies on the existence of postulated
mechanisms that are not understood.  Furthermore, the evolutionary
scenarios are much more in the line of plausibility arguments
rather than actual attempts at reconstruction.  That is, a
scenario outlines a possible scenario, and provides some
cues to checking the feasibility of that scenario.  It doesn't
directly eliminate other scenarios.  In short, the evolutionary
process and life itself is not well understood enough to
directly assess the validity of evolution.

	On the other hand, it should be pointed out that the
evidence that life is genetically inter-related is massive.
We are, humans, beetles, orchids, and blue-green algae, all
part of the same family.  Species were not created de novo
with independent biological mechanisms.  The question is:
did evolution occur by chance, or was there intervention?
The answer is that we don't know enough to answer the question.

	On the evolution of man:  sorry, but things are not
as simple as you think.  It has been claimed that the difference
in intelligence between the anthropoid apes and man is one of
quantity only.  This is, to put it politely, a debatable
proposition.  Again, our ignorance is profound.  We literally
do not know what the nature of human intelligence is, nor do
we know what changes were necessary to make the transition
form ape to man.  We also are rather ignorant of the details
of human evolution.  We are not even certain if Homo erectus
is a direct ancestor -- we think so, but it wouldn't shock
me if it turned out to be the case.

	To summarize, given our present level of knowledge of
life, the universe, and everything it is unwarranted to rule
out as unneeded the interventionist hypothesis.  Occam's razor
really only dictates that we assume as a working rule that
intervention did not occur unless we have good reason to 
believe otherwise.  I leave it as an exercise to the reader
to advance at least three hypotheses of supernatural inter-
vention that are consistent with the scientific method.

	SUCK WOMBATS, YOU COMMIE WIMPO, HUMANISTS

		Respectfully submitted in the tradition of the Net
			Richard Harter